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I'm starting to think Barbara Lee is Bernie's top VP choice. Just a hunch really. It's gotta be between Baldwin, Warren, Lee and Turner.
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Baldwin
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Turner
Why would Warren still be a possibility? That'd be such an awful look
I tend to agree after everything that's happened. I'd be less inclined to think it's possible if she does bad in the early states and stays in but I wouldn't discount the push by a lot of folks for this to be the unity ticket. There will be some in his circles advising him to reach out an olive branch to the more establishment wings of the party. Her being a sitting senator might be a bigger barrier than anything else.
I'd be cool with Turner over everyone else. She makes the most sense and Sanders is very loyal to her but she's apparently a very divisive figure. Edit: It probably should be noted that it seems some white liberals arn't quite as open to black women leading if they aren't following the party line.
I'm also thinking Turner and Baldwin because of Ohio and Wisconsin. Wisconsin is more winnable and strategically has to be brought back over.
I'd be cool with Turner over everyone else. She makes the most sense and Sanders is very loyal to her but she's apparently a very divisive figure. Edit: It probably should be noted that it seems some white liberals arn't quite as open to black women leading if they aren't following the party line.
I'm also thinking Turner and Baldwin because of Ohio and Wisconsin. Wisconsin is more winnable and strategically has to be brought back over.
Nina Turner would not help Bernie in Ohio and has very little name recognition or experience. She got 35% of the vote for the Secretary of State race in 2014, which even in a bad year for Dems nationwide that's just abysmal.
We also need to accept the fact that Bernie would likely be a one term president, so the VP pick really needs to be a qualified individual that has strong credentials for a 2024/2028 run
Post by potentpotables on Jan 30, 2020 22:23:03 GMT -5
I'd really be worried about Tammy Baldwin as the VP nominee, not because of her, but because of losing a Senate seat in Wisconsin. We can't afford a misstep there, and getting the Senate back is crucial for any D presidency but almost especially Bernie.
Post by abefroman1 on Jan 30, 2020 23:55:15 GMT -5
I mean, it's not like we are going to have fair elections anyways given what happened in the impeachment trial. Honestly I think we are set up for a republican sweep in november given the ominous "Let the voters decide" message from Lamar Alexander.
re: rogan and transphobic comments. i am definitely not a rogan expert, but i listen to his podcast maybe once every couple of months, and sometimes i watch clips of the podcast on youtube. the "transphobic" comments i've noticed primarily tend to revolve around fairness in athletic competition, meaning it's not fair for someone with the physical advantages of a male to compete against females. he probably harps on this topic too frequently, i imagine as a society we'll figure this out eventually, but it seems his comments are limited to that specific area.
i've never heard anything racist from him, so it's surprising for me to hear that accusation tossed around after the bernie semi-endorsement.
from what i've seen on the joe rogan subreddit, his fans aren't angels, but they are overwhelmingly left leaning politically, meaning most of them are bernie supporters. of course that could just be the natural left lean of reddit, but still.
all that to say that i don't think rogan and his fanbase are the enemies here. i'm not some huge rogan fan but i don't think he is a hateful or bigoted person.
Didn't Joe Rogan advance or agree with the theory that Obama was born in Kenya? He was a birther, which is where I think some of (if not all) the racist charges stem.
I'd be cool with Turner over everyone else. She makes the most sense and Sanders is very loyal to her but she's apparently a very divisive figure. Edit: It probably should be noted that it seems some white liberals arn't quite as open to black women leading if they aren't following the party line.
I'm also thinking Turner and Baldwin because of Ohio and Wisconsin. Wisconsin is more winnable and strategically has to be brought back over.
Nina Turner would not help Bernie in Ohio and has very little name recognition or experience. She got 35% of the vote for the Secretary of State race in 2014, which even in a bad year for Dems nationwide that's just abysmal.
We also need to accept the fact that Bernie would likely be a one term president, so the VP pick really needs to be a qualified individual that has strong credentials for a 2024/2028 run
I don't expect any Dem to win Ohio at the moment. They could, I guess, but I think of it as leaning red and not a swing state for now.
I agree but I don't expect Sanders to pick someone too ideologically different. Which is why I still think Warren will be pushed for by a lot of people.
I'd really be worried about Tammy Baldwin as the VP nominee, not because of her, but because of losing a Senate seat in Wisconsin. We can't afford a misstep there, and getting the Senate back is crucial for any D presidency but almost especially Bernie.
That's basically the problem with any high profile female progressive. Special elections in Wisconsin and Mass. Most special elections benefit the GOP because of average turnout and voter suppression laws. So the other option is someone that doesn't have as much experience. Which brings back the question of how much do they actually help in the general. Perhaps not looking at the traditional angle of helping in their home state is in order.
I mean, it's not like we are going to have fair elections anyways given what happened in the impeachment trial. Honestly I think we are set up for a republican sweep in november given the ominous "Let the voters decide" message from Lamar Alexander.
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
Didn't Joe Rogan advance or agree with the theory that Obama was born in Kenya? He was a birther, which is where I think some of (if not all) the racist charges stem.
Didn't Hillary Clinton?
I've never known what to belive on Hillary's staff spreading that stuff. I know it happened but not sure if she actually knew about it.
She did make a slightly transphobic statement.... like 3 months ago. Shockingly, the people mad about Rogan didn't seem to make an uproar.
I mean, it's not like we are going to have fair elections anyways given what happened in the impeachment trial. Honestly I think we are set up for a republican sweep in november given the ominous "Let the voters decide" message from Lamar Alexander.
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
Every state runs their own elections with different systems, 2018 put democrats in charge of more of these systems, electoral fraud on that scale is virtually impossible, this is Qanon level fearmongering
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
I will say this, I'm not THIS pessimistic, although I think today marks major destruction of our democracy.
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
I feel bad for people who think like this. It’s okay to be upset about something, without thinking the world is ending.
I guess it's a good thing we have a chance for an actual movement to get the nomination. At least we'll be somewhat organized because we will need to be if they actually go that extreme.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
I'm almost at this point. I just assume the GOP will cheat and win again. Maybe not this scale, but good enough.
I question if I should bother doing stuff for Bernie thinking it's futile on trying.
yeah there's just an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea that they're just going to cheat/they already have. all these gerrymandering cases that are just not going to get redrawn by the time elections happen, people just being kicked out of registration, polls closing, booth intimidation tactics and cash incentives to not vote.
I'm almost at this point. I just assume the GOP will cheat and win again. Maybe not this scale, but good enough.
I question if I should bother doing stuff for Bernie thinking it's futile on trying.
Seems like you'd be even more pissed about this. Let's face it, a healthy 43% of the country does not give a fuck about dictators even though they accused the last president of acting like one and screamed about it then. The majority of this 43% are complete hypocrites who don't care and don't understand the world or the country and generally have a championship wrestling fan's grasp of reality. The Republicans don't care about lying or cheating. That's how they win. They don't care about facts. They don't give a shit about justice. Fuck them. Get madder. Fight harder. Call every one of them out for their bullshit, ignorance, stupidity and whatever at every opportunity. So what if you get in a shouting match with your uncle or aunt or grandma or parent or co-worker. You already know they suck at politics. Dig that shit in on them. Do not relent. Finish them.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
Every state runs their own elections with different systems, 2018 put democrats in charge of more of these systems, electoral fraud on that scale is virtually impossible, this is Qanon level fearmongering
I can’t believe it but I’m in total agreement with emoney. This kind of defeatist attitude will lose it for us.
DO NOT GIVE UP. That’s exactly what they want. Bernie is going to win it for us this time. And I refuse to accept anything less.
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
I'm almost at this point. I just assume the GOP will cheat and win again. Maybe not this scale, but good enough.
I question if I should bother doing stuff for Bernie thinking it's futile on trying.
It's definitely not futile! I've been phonebanking for the past week and it seriously helps. The more people who get calls about Bernie and seeing the support he has, is mostly met with optimism. You won't believe how many people simply don't support Bernie because they think he is not "electable" or he is not liked by many people; a MSM talking point that has been hammered over our heads for far too long. Phonebanking allows the message to get out there and lets the average voter know that his policies are popular and that people do like him! Don't ever lose hope!
This is how November 2020 will go: 1. Trump "somehow" wins PA, WI, and FL by less than 20,000 votes, wins electoral college, loses popular vote by 4 million 2. House goes to republicans in a lot of 51%/49% decisions. 3. Republicans increase majority in senate, again by a bunch of dubious 51/49 decisions 4. The collective media questions "why can't democrats nominate electable candidates" 5. Some large protests in large cities, but nothing to the scale of Hong Kong. 6. We all go back to everyday life because your average american would be fired and lose their health insurance if they take too many PTO days to protest.
Winning the house in 2018 was Putin's way of letting us get our hopes up for 2020. The ballot machines are compromised.
Every state runs their own elections with different systems, 2018 put democrats in charge of more of these systems, electoral fraud on that scale is virtually impossible, this is Qanon level fearmongering
The Dems being in charge of more systems doesn't mean they'll actually fix things or that they somehow become less susceptible.
Every state runs their own elections with different systems, 2018 put democrats in charge of more of these systems, electoral fraud on that scale is virtually impossible, this is Qanon level fearmongering
The Dems being in charge of more systems doesn't mean they'll actually fix things or that they somehow become less susceptible.