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Post by Mista Don't Play on Jun 27, 2013 17:26:11 GMT -5
Updated tracklist to include features...
1. "Picasso Baby" 2. "Heaven" 3. "Versus" 4. "Tom Ford" 5. "Beach Is Better" 6. "F***WithMeYouKnowIGotIt" ft. Rick Ross 7. "Oceans" ft. Frank Ocean 8. "F.U.T.W." 9. "Part II (On The Run)" ft. Beyonce 10. "BBC" 11. "La Familia" 12. "Jay-Z Blue" 13. "Nickles & Dimes" 14. "Holy Grail" ft. Justin Timberlake 15. "Open Letter"
Post by Mista Don't Play on Jul 4, 2013 8:36:08 GMT -5
After one listen, there are certainly a couple tracks on here that I don't like as much as the rest, but the high points are really high. Production is stellar.
Only Jay-Z could manage an album that doesn't leak until the zero hour. Good work, Hov.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jul 4, 2013 23:43:37 GMT -5
Extremely disappointed by one of my favorites. Listened a couple times and not a single track jumped out at me. Even on his bad albums he gave us one or two classic songs but so far it all sounds dated and bland. And Jay just doesn't dominate his beats anymore.
Extremely disappointed by one of my favorites. Listened a couple times and not a single track jumped out at me. Even on his bad albums he gave us one or two classic songs but so far it all sounds dated and bland. And Jay just doesn't dominate his beats anymore.
So....the Linkin Park collab album was better than this?
Extremely disappointed by one of my favorites. Listened a couple times and not a single track jumped out at me. Even on his bad albums he gave us one or two classic songs but so far it all sounds dated and bland. And Jay just doesn't dominate his beats anymore.
This opinion is wrong.
I own a hard copy of every solo Jay album and a Vinyl of Reasonable Doubt. I've defended him and tried to convince myself that he's had a solid output post Black Album against the most vicious of Hip Hop heads/trolls. I'm gonna need more than this for you to make me feel any different. I'm even more comfortable with this opinion after a third listen. There isn't a single classic jay song on here. I'd love for you to pick one out and direct me to it. Black Album was the last album that was just littered with fantastic beats/flows/lyrics.
And whoever said rap genius is needed for this album must be joking... I hope. Man he used to sink into a beat so smooth. There's no question he sounds far more amateur than he used to. I'm assuming everyone here is knowledgeable of his entire catalog. Surprised nobody else picks up on the disparity of skill concerning his charisma, technique, lyrics, etc..
I own a hard copy of every solo Jay album and a Vinyl of Reasonable Doubt. I've defended him and tried to convince myself that he's had a solid output post Black Album against the most vicious of Hip Hop heads/trolls. I'm gonna need more than this for you to make me feel any different. I'm even more comfortable with this opinion after a third listen. There isn't a single classic jay song on here. I'd love for you to pick one out and direct me to it. Black Album was the last album that was just littered with fantastic beats/flows/lyrics.
And whoever said rap genius is needed for this album must be joking... I hope. Man he used to sink into a beat so smooth. There's no question he sounds far more amateur than he used to. I'm assuming everyone here is knowledgeable of his entire catalog. Surprised nobody else picks up on the disparity of skill concerning his charisma, technique, lyrics, etc..
Well, you're wrong because American Gangster was a great Jay-Z album. Blueprint 3 wasn't bad (not his best work), but you can only really say Kingdom Come out of his post-Black Album releases was sub-par. And no one picked up on the disparity of skill because it doesn't exist, are you serious?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 5, 2013 12:24:18 GMT -5
I need to refresh myself with more new Jay-Z. After Black Album i've only listened to the other stuff occasionally. It's going to be a Jay-Z weekend I think.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jul 5, 2013 12:24:24 GMT -5
Im completely serious and many agree with me. Its a lonely opinion among avid hip hop fans to think there hasn't been a drop off. Please listen to a song such as "Its like that" from vol 2 or "what more can I say" from BA (those aren't even considered top tier jay tracks by most), then listen to La Familia or Holy grail or whatever from this album.
American gangster is above average at best (3.5/5) Blueprint 3 is extremely poor after the first 5 or 6 songs. I honestly thought he was returning to form with some of his verses on MBDTF but this album is just so bland.
Im completely serious and many agree with me. Its a lonely opinion among avid hip hop fans to think there hasn't been a drop off. Please listen to a song such as "Its like that" from vol 2 or "what more can I say" from BA (those aren't even considered top tier jay tracks by most), then listen to La Familia or Holy grail or whatever from this album.
American gangster is above average at best (3.5/5) Blueprint 3 is extremely poor after the first 5 or 6 songs. I honestly thought he was returning to form with some of his verses on MBDTF but this album is just so bland.
I don't need to go listen to anything. I can recite Reasonable Doubt in its entirety on command. I grew up listening to NY-area hip-hop and Jay-Z was probably my most listened to artist out of that group & era.
But I also don't see rap as a cumulative skill, and by that I mean I don't necessarily put more stock in rapping faster in order to get more bars/punches into a song. Jay-Z started changing his style about a decade ago, so to say or act like this is a jarring diverge from his last album is misleading.
You mean to tell me Picasso Baby couldn't have slid right onto the Blueprint? Or BBC couldn't fit on Vol. 3?
This idea that "new Hov" can't hold a candle to "old Hov" is misguided at best, idiotic at worst.
Im completely serious and many agree with me. Its a lonely opinion among avid hip hop fans to think there hasn't been a drop off. Please listen to a song such as "Its like that" from vol 2 or "what more can I say" from BA (those aren't even considered top tier jay tracks by most), then listen to La Familia or Holy grail or whatever from this album.
American gangster is above average at best (3.5/5) Blueprint 3 is extremely poor after the first 5 or 6 songs. I honestly thought he was returning to form with some of his verses on MBDTF but this album is just so bland.
I don't need to go listen to anything. I can recite Reasonable Doubt in its entirety on command. I grew up listening to NY-area hip-hop and Jay-Z was probably my most listened to artist out of that group & era.
But I also don't see rap as a cumulative skill, and by that I mean I don't necessarily put more stock in rapping faster in order to get more bars/punches into a song. Jay-Z started changing his style about a decade ago, so to say or act like this is a jarring diverge from his last album is misleading.
You mean to tell me Picasso Baby couldn't have slid right onto the Blueprint? Or BBC couldn't fit on Vol. 3?
This idea that "new Hov" can't hold a candle to "old Hov" is misguided at best, idiotic at worst.
1. I'm not challenging your knowledge of Jay-z, rather asking you listen to old v. new back to back to see the obvious difference.
2. I'm not alluding to the actually speed of his raps on RD vs. Magna Carta. On Blueprint and Black album (semi new) he is slower yet his flows always impressed me and felt so natural to where I couldn't explain it. Now I feel like he raps on these beats the way any other rapper would. On Blueprint it felt like every bar was so important to him and there is just quotable after quotable. Not the same here.
3. Your point about how those tracks could slide onto vol.3 or blueprint is a bad thing, not a good thing. Which is one of my problems with this album. FUTW could have literally been made in 1999 and been on the poorly produced vol 1, 2, or 3. Sounds extremely dated.
I am a HUUUGE Jay-z fan that has been extremely let down since... we can call it american gangster. I liked WTT but kinda feel like Kanye was responsible for that.
So wait...you're lamenting how he's a different rapper now, but you don't want his new music to sound like his old music? Dafuq?
correct. Not a difficult concept to grasp. The production should be with the times. Rapping level should remain high like it used to be
First off, if you think the production on this album is equivalent to the stuff he used early on in his career there really isn't any point continuing this discussion. Secondly, if it was not clear earlier, I am disagreeing that his rapping skill has tailed off.
I can understand not liking the entire album if you're a big Jay-z fan, but to act like its a failure of an album because it doesn't hit your contradictory criteria isn't fair.
correct. Not a difficult concept to grasp. The production should be with the times. Rapping level should remain high like it used to be
First off, if you think the production on this album is equivalent to the stuff he used early on in his career there really isn't any point continuing this discussion. Secondly, if it was not clear earlier, I am disagreeing that his rapping skill has tailed off.
I can understand not liking the entire album if you're a big Jay-z fan, but to act like its a failure of an album because it doesn't hit your contradictory criteria isn't fair.
This is a great album.
the production sounds dated is what I've said. We will have to agree to disagree on his rapping. I'm not saying the album is terrible. Just soooo so average for jay and not exciting. Idk how you can hear rd, bp, and ba and not notice a massive difference in quality. At this point we are going in circles though.