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Mariota-BMarsh-Decker-Kerley-Ivory-Amaro is a serious offense with an above average O-line. Plus with REVIS and one of the best D-lines in the league, the Jets are certainly trending in the right direction.
(I'm assuming Cooper won't be available).
With the emergence of Kevin White I'd be shocked is Cooper isn't there at 6
Those WRs are truly interesting. I typically don't consider drafting a WR in the first round to be a smart pick. However, Cooper is already prepared to play at a high level. I don't think Kevin White is NFL ready at all, but he's a true freak of nature. I was at the game when he went 16 for 132 yards against my Longhorns.
Hahahaha fair enough. I edited to include the fact that Carroll is also failed once. Honestly, you may have to go all the way back to Jimmy Johnson for another coach that transitioned seamlessly from NCAA to NFL. Another one that may be kind of a stretch is Tom Coughlin. More recently, Jim Harbaugh is an interesting case. He probably should still be the niners head coach. Depending on what way you look at it either he ruined that team or management did.
Hahahaha fair enough. I edited to include the fact that Carroll is also failed once. Honestly, you may have to go all the way back to Jimmy Johnson for another coach that transitioned seamlessly from NCAA to NFL. Another one that may be kind of a stretch is Tom Coughlin. More recently, Jim Harbaugh is an interesting case. He probably should still be the niners head coach. Depending on what way you look at it either he ruined that team or management did.
I said lasted more than four years for the sake of Harbaugh. Why do teams choose NCAA coaches if they rarely work out?
Hahahaha fair enough. I edited to include the fact that Carroll is also failed once. Honestly, you may have to go all the way back to Jimmy Johnson for another coach that transitioned seamlessly from NCAA to NFL. Another one that may be kind of a stretch is Tom Coughlin. More recently, Jim Harbaugh is an interesting case. He probably should still be the niners head coach. Depending on what way you look at it either he ruined that team or management did.
I said lasted more than four years for the sake of Harbaugh. Why do teams choose NCAA coaches if they rarely work out?
That's a great question man. I'm not going to pretend I know the answer since I'm not an NFL GM or owner. I will say that the "hit" rate on any new head coach is pretty low anyway. Plus, the list of eligible coaches in the NFL is pretty short. College coaches tend to offer a different tone and way of doing things than guys who have come up in the NFL. For instance, when the Bucs fired Raheem Morris and hired Greg Schiano it was clear all they they wanted was to move from a player friendly coach to a strict coach. Another thing is that college coaches tend to be "splashy" hires. They get a lot of hype and buzz without the risks (or money) involved with hiring a well known coach.
So, honestly, tl,dr: I would say that you hire a college coach simply to mix things up.
When was the last time a college coach succeeded in the NFL for longer than four seasons?
Edit- excluding Pete Carroll
Chuck Pagano spent 20 years as a college coach. John Harbaugh spent 10 years as a college coach. Mike Tomlin spent 20 years as a college coach as well. I could keep going but then you will come back with a "were they head coaches?" comment and I will tell you that I don't care because your parameters were stupid as was your question. I just spent 5 minutes on wikipedia to point that out.
I'm not going to double check Wikipedia, but Mike Tomlin is only 43 years old...so I don't think he would have coached 20 years in college.
I'm not going to double check Wikipedia, but Mike Tomlin is only 43 years old...so I don't think he would have coached 20 years in college.
It was only 6 years. You are correct. I'm sick and stressed out. Brain is operating on low power today. 1995 Virginia Military Institute Keydets (wide receivers coach) 1996 Memphis Tigers (graduate assistant) 1997 Arkansas State Red Wolves (wide receivers coach) 1998 Arkansas State Red Wolves (defensive backs coach) 1999–2000 Cincinnati Bearcats (defensive backs coach)
I'm talking exclusively head coach to head coach transitions
I could keep going but then you will come back with a "were they head coaches?" comment and I will tell you that I don't care because your parameters were stupid as was your question. I just spent 5 minutes on wikipedia to point that out.
Tranter. I don't care. Your parameters were stupid and so was your question.
If you knew that I was going to say that, then why did you still answer the question wrongly?
Post by Son of a Beek on Mar 11, 2015 10:54:33 GMT -5
How often do those transitions happen anyway? Jim Harbaugh, Pete Caroll, Doug Marrone are the only ones from this decade I can think of, and two of them worked out fine as coaches.
Tranter. I don't care. Your parameters were stupid and so was your question.
If you knew that I was going to say that, then why did you still answer the question wrongly?
Only 9 current NFL head coaches have more than four years tenure with their team right now (one of which is Carroll), so it's not like coaches with more than four years success are growing on trees. Out of those nine, three (Lewis, Coughlin and Garrett) have came real close to getting fired, so even those coaches with success are on a tight margin. You could also pose a similar question about why they keep hiring coaches that have failed elsewhere. Lovie Smith, Jack Del Rio and Gary Kubiak come to mind. As previously stated, they pick the person that they think is going to be best for the job. Sometimes, it works out. Sometimes, it doesn't.
Edit: Seriously though, how has Marvin Lewis kept his job this long?
If you knew that I was going to say that, then why did you still answer the question wrongly?
Because that wasn't the question you asked dumb-dumb. You said COLLEGE COACH not COLLEGE HEAD COACH. I'm just good at understanding stupid people and their thought process.
You could've seen that the names we used were Harbaugh, Carroll, Johnson, etc and assumed that's what I meant. governmint understood it.
How often do those transitions happen anyway? Jim Harbaugh, Pete Caroll, Doug Marrone are the only ones from this decade I can think of, and two of them worked out fine as coaches.
If you knew that I was going to say that, then why did you still answer the question wrongly?
Only 9 current NFL head coaches have more than four years tenure with their team right now (one of which is Carroll), so it's not like coaches with more than four years success are growing on trees. Out of those nine, three (Lewis, Coughlin and Garrett) have came real close to getting fired, so even those coaches with success are on a tight margin. You could also pose a similar question about why they keep hiring coaches that have failed elsewhere. Lovie Smith, Jack Del Rio and Gary Kubiak come to mind. As previously stated, they pick the person that they think is going to be best for the job. Sometimes, it works out. Sometimes, it doesn't.
Edit: Seriously though, how has Marvin Lewis kept his job this long?
How often do those transitions happen anyway? Jim Harbaugh, Pete Caroll, Doug Marrone are the only ones from this decade I can think of, and two of them worked out fine as coaches.
Chip Kelly
20-12 record in two seasons. Another one that's worked out so far. He managed to keep that team afloat with the Sanchize at QB
20-12 record in two seasons. Another one that's worked out so far. He managed to keep that team afloat with the Sanchize at QB
Well, that's why I said "four years or more", because the Eagles could easily collapse this year. He could end up being another Harbaugh who found success early but didn't last very long.
Only 9 current NFL head coaches have more than four years tenure with their team right now (one of which is Carroll), so it's not like coaches with more than four years success are growing on trees. Out of those nine, three (Lewis, Coughlin and Garrett) have came real close to getting fired, so even those coaches with success are on a tight margin. You could also pose a similar question about why they keep hiring coaches that have failed elsewhere. Lovie Smith, Jack Del Rio and Gary Kubiak come to mind. As previously stated, they pick the person that they think is going to be best for the job. Sometimes, it works out. Sometimes, it doesn't.
Edit: Seriously though, how has Marvin Lewis kept his job this long?
I'm well aware you're not just talking about currently. I am just saying that a head coach having more than four years of success is a rare commodity regardless of where they were employed previous to their current position. Even in my scenario, I am just using their tenure as a measure of "success". You could easily argue that Garrett and Lewis wouldn't qualify as success since neither have even a conference championship to their credit.
20-12 record in two seasons. Another one that's worked out so far. He managed to keep that team afloat with the Sanchize at QB
Well, that's why I said "four years or more", because the Eagles could easily collapse this year. He could end up being another Harbaugh who found success early but didn't last very long.
Dude. Harbaugh didn't leave because of a lack of success
How often do those transitions happen anyway? Jim Harbaugh, Pete Caroll, Doug Marrone are the only ones from this decade I can think of, and two of them worked out fine as coaches.
Greg Schiano for the Bucs was an absolute disaster.
Well, that's why I said "four years or more", because the Eagles could easily collapse this year. He could end up being another Harbaugh who found success early but didn't last very long.
Dude. Harbaugh didn't leave because of a lack of success
I didn't say he did. I just said he didn't last very long.
Ok Tranter. You want to have a discussion on this. Fine.
Why would college coaches not be successful in the pros? Idiots much like yourself commonly make 2 arguments so I will address those now. If you have any others, please share.
Argument 1: Recruiting College head coaches are not usually that hands-on in the recruiting process. Positional coaches, graduate assistants, and recruiting coordinators handle the film study and identify the targets. Those individuals are also the primary recruiters for these kids. Head coaches might recruit the few top guys they think they can land and they will come in at the end to seal the deal but most of the work is done by others. Also, NFL head coaches play a big role in drafting and free agency.
Argument 2: System issues. Maybe the zone-read and spread concepts will be a pro football novelty and maybe not. It certainly seems like certain aspects of zone read runs and 1 read passes are a part of the pro game moving forward. Also, there are college coaches who run pro systems who get hired as pro coaches so system isn't an issue for them. There are college coaches who run pro systems in college who aren't potential NFL hires as well and many of them do just fine.
Another reason seems to be college coaches seem to be more in control of what they want. Not to say NFL coaches don't, but when they go through the transition it doesn't fit right. That's why McCoy called Chip overbearing and why the locker room seemed to turn against Harbaugh.
Another reason seems to be college coaches seem to be more in control of what they want. Not to say NFL coaches don't, but when they go through the transition it doesn't fit right. That's why McCoy called Chip overbearing and why the locker room seemed to turn against Harbaugh.
Harbaugh is a world class prick. Being a former college coach has no bearing on that. Tom Coughlin seems to be hated by most of his players as well. He's spent 28 of the last 30 years in the NFL.
And it also worked in the pros. You think players like Bill Belichick? And super cool dude Pete Carroll had absolute insane roster turnover his first two years. You think the vets liked watching people get signed and released non-stop like that?
but his prickness and mentality didn't sit too well with management. Patriots management is just Bellichick and Kraft.
but his prickness and mentality didn't sit too well with management
Trent Baalke is also known as a prick. I have heard directly from an NFL player who was waived from the 49ers. That guy doesn't handle his business with class. As a prick myself, I can tell you that only bad things happen when two pricks are in a power struggle.
Kyle Williams. The guy who fumbled two punts in the NFC Championship game. I don't need to air his grievances but I'm not surprised that even after Harbaugh left, players still retired or signed elsewhere in droves. It is a toxic environment there.
Post by Black Dynamite on Mar 11, 2015 14:31:35 GMT -5
I didn't bother to read all of this, but I'm a huge Eagles fan and am pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the birds and Chip Kelly, so any questions, fire away.
As for this college coach discussion:
Football goes through cycles, contrary to popular belief, college is usually a bit ahead of the curve as less talented teams find new ways to scheme offenses and defense to make up for their talent deficiencies. Good examples of college coaches using this to their advantage are Walsh and Jimmie Johnson.
I didn't bother to read all of this, but I'm a huge Eagles fan and am pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the birds and Chip Kelly, so any questions, fire away
Do you like what Kelly and the team have been doing this offseason?
I didn't bother to read all of this, but I'm a huge Eagles fan and am pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the birds and Chip Kelly, so any questions, fire away.
As for this college coach discussion:
Football goes through cycles, contrary to popular belief, college is usually a bit ahead of the curve as less talented teams find new ways to scheme offenses and defense to make up for their talent deficiencies. Good examples of college coaches using this to their advantage are Walsh and Jimmie Johnson.
Are you furious that the Eagles are rotting before our eyes, or are you just disappointed?