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I don't expect any Dem to win Ohio at the moment. They could, I guess, but I think of it as leaning red and not a swing state for now.
I agree but I don't expect Sanders to pick someone too ideologically different. Which is why I still think Warren will be pushed for by a lot of people.
That's basically the problem with any high profile female progressive. Special elections in Wisconsin and Mass. Most special elections benefit the GOP because of average turnout and voter suppression laws. So the other option is someone that doesn't have as much experience. Which brings back the question of how much do they actually help in the general. Perhaps not looking at the traditional angle of helping in their home state is in order.
Agree on Ohio - it's not a swing state anymore. Swing states are changing. Which was part of my comment on Wisconsin/Tammy Baldwin - I think it's barely a swing state. Florida - barely a swing state. PA and Michigan - swing states. Arizona, North Carolina, Virginia - new swing states. Georgia, Texas - emerging swing states?
I think a progressive female from Massachusetts would be fine. I think Bernie, more than Biden, could use Stacey Abrams.
I've brought up Bernie/Abrams in here. I feel like her joining up with CAP makes that very unlikely but she's a top option if he has to choose a more moderate candidate.
I think Georgia is still a couple cycles away from being really competitive. It's close but the Dems just don't have the infrastructure throughout the state yet. Still, Abrams would make it competitive and if there's any time to take a chance it's when two senate seats are on the line.
If you live on this side of NYC, def come up and help in New Hampshire next weekend if you can spare a day.
I'm trying to figure out where in South Carolina I should go. Wouldn't mind going to a rally. I guess it depends on if I join up with some folks or just drive over by myself.
Glad to see so many folks making calls, etc. Keep it up! We can't let up.
Also, another way to help if you can't canvas/make calls for whatever reason is donating to groups going to early states to canvas. Even if you can only share them on your social networks or just your political friends. Every little bit helps. I'll be on the look out for some some new ones. Seems like most I've come across have met their goals at the moment. I'm sure more will start for SC and Nevada.
Anyone else got nervious energy like crazy right now? Feel like so much is on the line tomorrow. Work is going to fucking suck. Then we got to wait till 10 or 11.
I was in Derry, NH today helping out with the get out the vote efforts. From where I am, it's over three hours round trip driving.
It's impressive to see the passion and drive people have, wanting to see Bernie win up there. It's Super Bowl Sunday and we had volunteers out there canvassing past sunset and running up against game time. I have a feeling we can win on the 11th, and our people up there won't let up before then.
The idea of knocking on strangers doors - in another state no less - is very unpleasant to me. I did it solo a handful of times during the governor's race here two years ago and I HATE it. It's not for everyone, and I know I don't have the social graces to go out there as anything more than a sidekick role.
There was a bus of volunteers who came up from Boston this morning. A number went to Nashua, about 15 went to Derry. Nashua is the second largest city in the state, has a number of walkable neighborhoods, and is diverse for NH standards. Derry is a suburban town that's pretty conservative and wealthy. The outskirts get spread out and into the woods. So myself and a couple others who drove up to Derry drove the Boston volunteers around and helped them canvass. Without the driver team, we reach far fewer voters.
The canvassers are all stars for going out there and talking to strangers and trying to get people to go out and vote Bernie. What I did doesn't seem like much in comparison, but everything helps. If you want Bernie to be the next president, there's a lot of ways to help - no matter now little or stupid it might be. You don't have to go to New Hampshire or South Carolina or Nevada, but it's cool if you do. Anything helps. I'm (finally) getting off the sidelines.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Feb 3, 2020 11:37:58 GMT -5
Had this quote in my head the last couple days. So fucking relatable to my thoughts and feelings the last couple decades.
“The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting”
― Milan Kundera
“The most painful state of being is remembering the future, particularly the one you'll never have.” ― Søren Kierkegaard
“I hope to live long enough to be the great-grandmother of all agitators.” ― Mary Harris Jones
"History is instructive. And what it suggests to people is that even if they do little things, if they walk on the picket line, if they join a vigil, if they write a letter to their local newspaper. Anything they do, however small, becomes part of a much, much larger sort of flow of energy. And when enough people do enough things, however small they are, then change takes place."
- Howard Zinn
"This system wants Fred Hampton’s tale to remain untold, his militant memory to fade, his life of service to black folks and the black revolutionary struggle to pass unknown. The media has covered up this recent history, but some remember; perhaps now you will too.
Remember those who have gone before. Remember those whom the system wants you to forget. Remember those who fought against this system. Remember Chairman Fred Hampton, and his assassins!" - Mumia Abu-Jamal
“It is incomprehensible to me, the fear that can affect men in political offices. It is shocking the way they submit to forces they know are wrong and fail to stand up for what they believe. Can their jobs be so important to them, their prestige, their power, their privileges so important that they will cooperate in the degradation of our society just to hang on to those jobs?” ― Shirley Chisholm
“Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.” ― Eugene V. Debs
How’s everybody feeling today? I’m confident but also terrified. Final Iowa prediction: Bernie Biden Pete Warren Klobuchar Yang Steyer
Feeling pretty good. I'm somewhat confident tonight will go well but a second round with this many strong candidates seems impossible to predict. We should know by the turnout report how well Bernie will do. Not going to let myself get too excited.
Either way, the progressive movement in America is alive and growing. So whatever happens tonight there's hope.
Edit: I'd also say that no matter the outcome there will be good arguments made about the limitations of the Iowa Caucus and it's influence on democracy. Would be hilarious if it was Bernie that made the Dems finally change things. Lol Good timing :
How’s everybody feeling today? I’m confident but also terrified. Final Iowa prediction: Bernie Biden Pete Warren Klobuchar Yang Steyer
Feeling pretty good. I'm somewhat confident tonight will go well but a second round with this many strong candidates seems impossible to predict. We should know by the turnout report how well Bernie will do. Not going to let myself get too excited.
Either way, the progressive movement in America is alive and growing. So whatever happens tonight there's hope.
Edit: I'd also say that no matter the outcome there will be good arguments made about the limitations of the Iowa Caucus and it's influence on democracy. Would be hilarious if it was Bernie that made the Dems finally change things. Lol Good timing :
I have seen a couple of articles around laying the groundwork for how Bernie is going to claim victory off the first round regardless of how the second round goes. It may come as a shock to you, but the tone is definitely more of a "watch the old man yell at clouds!" thing than anything approaching reasonable or positive.
I’m sure most on here know already, but you don’t even have to leave your house to help. You can send text messages for Sanders. It’s super easy, and avoids F2F discussion if you’re introverted.
Really though, if anyone here is a former Clinton staffer and wants to give some tips on how to sell yourself in job interviews despite constant underperformance/utter failure let me know.
Iowan checking in! The last few months have been pretty wild. Been able to catch Pete, Kamala (rip), Warren, and Bernie (x3). The Bernie rally in Cedar Rapids the other night was an absolute blast! They had ALL the guests and I got to give Susan Sarandon a high five! It was so much better run than the rally 4 years ago in Iowa City. Vampire weekend basically did a full hour (not acoustic, full band and everything!) and Lissie openning was great as well. The event was run like a well oiled machine (able to iron out the kinks the night before in Clive), but it did kinda fizzle out in the end. Last time. Ezra invited Bernie and everyone else on stage for a This Land is Your Land sing-a-long, but they didn't even try to top that this year. Regardless, Bernie sure knows how to throw a party!
Got my caucus location figured out, and I'm going in with an open mind. I've been pretty sold on Bernie for a while now, but anything can happen and that's why I kinda love these things. I truly feel like part of a democracy with other normal everday folks. Iowa is center stage tonight and I hope we don't let you down!
Feeling pretty good. I'm somewhat confident tonight will go well but a second round with this many strong candidates seems impossible to predict. We should know by the turnout report how well Bernie will do. Not going to let myself get too excited.
Either way, the progressive movement in America is alive and growing. So whatever happens tonight there's hope.
Edit: I'd also say that no matter the outcome there will be good arguments made about the limitations of the Iowa Caucus and it's influence on democracy. Would be hilarious if it was Bernie that made the Dems finally change things. Lol Good timing :
I have seen a couple of articles around laying the groundwork for how Bernie is going to claim victory off the first round regardless of how the second round goes. It may come as a shock to you, but the tone is definitely more of a "watch the old man yell at clouds!" thing than anything approaching reasonable or positive.
I saw one of those articles floating around this weekend and didn't even read it but it seems funny the media never seemed to care about gaming the system when they'd show graphics of Hillary's massive Superdelegate lead after New Hampshire. How did they not have the potential to demoralize people and discouraging voters? CNN, just a little while back, was showing a satellite caucus in Florida... claiming it was the first caucus when Bernie had already "won" 3. I wonder what age the average Iowian in Florida is and who they're likely to support. It would seem the media is failing to take this issue seriously across the board. Strange.
Also, I feel like supporters of other candidates aren't going to be on Bernie friendly social media during the caucus? So calling it gaming the system seems a little much. But obviously they shouldn't be pushing out data to demoralize anyone.
BTW, can't believe anyone had the foresight to think this new system might not have all the kinks worked out. I really hope the party doesn't fuck this up and cause some controversy.
Post by Dave Maynar on Feb 3, 2020 18:47:54 GMT -5
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal, it sets that mindframe that Bernie has to win both the first and second round in order to truly deserve to claim victory. Every other candidate hasn't had this argument put out about them, so it's another artificial hurdle that's been created. Hell, Klobuchar and Yang get to call victory even if they're fourth place depending on their percentage. You know I'm not a ride or die Bernie guy, but this stuff is getting annoying even to me.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Feb 3, 2020 18:50:25 GMT -5
holy shit lol
Edit: To clarify. The "holy shit" is because the reference. That percentage is just for a singular satellite caucus. Don't get your hopes up or down based on it.