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Do you know how many starting QBs have come and gone since Eli has entered the league? I'm not saying he's Brady or Peyton. But there have been sooooooo many worse QBs over the last decade or so that have come and gone. To call him "average" is asinine.
Maybe today, as it stands, among the 32 QBs that will be starters you can argue that Eli in his age 33 season is an average QB.
But you reaching for historical stats makes me believe you're referring to his career. And if you want to talk about Eli over the last 10 years, and call him "average", you couldn't be further off. I could reel off a list of dozens of QBs that were starting NFL games during Eli's career that aren't even remotely comparable to him.
Am I crazy for being excited about the Saints D next year?
I'm personally very excited about their shift in focus this offseason. They know Brees is getting older and need to focus on building up the young guys. It's what has to happen to compete with Seattle and San Fran. Not to mention, it's great that the NFC West has to play each other, as well as Denver and KC next season
Post by muppetstakethefarm on Apr 12, 2014 9:21:03 GMT -5
Eli Manning is above average but no longer elite. You can't luckily win two Super Bowls. Some of you are making it sound like being clutch is not a differentiating attribute or lumping it in with lucky. So the whole playoffs he was lucky and then just enough clutch to get a ring? For those two runs it was the opposite... a whole lot of clutch and a little bit of lucky. Right now I'd take Flacco over Eli but that's only because he is four years younger. Flacco could end up with a better career than Eli but not yet. The rings are king. I'm not a fan of the Giants or Ravens but as a Bears fan without a ring for nearly 30 years, I put a lot of value on winning one, let alone two.
Eli Manning is above average but no longer elite. You can't luckily win two Super Bowls. Some of you are making it sound like being clutch is not a differentiating attribute or lumping it in with lucky. So the whole playoffs he was lucky and then just enough clutch to get a ring? For those two runs it was the opposite... a whole lot of clutch and a little bit of lucky. Right now I'd take Flacco over Eli but that's only because he is four years younger. Flacco could end up with a better career than Eli but not yet. The rings are king. I'm not a fan of the Giants or Ravens but as a Bears fan without a ring for nearly 30 years, I put a lot of value on winning one, let alone two.
If Tyree didn't pull off some Cirque du Soleil shit in Super Bowl 42, the Patriots would of had an undefeated season.
You forgot the part where Eli shook off TWO linemen who were in the process of sacking him, re-gained his composure, and rifled a bomb down field to a relatively open Tyree. Not to diminish The Catch, but to act like Eli had nothing to do with it is ignoring what actually happened. Mind you, that play only got the Giants to the 25 yard line. Eli still had to drive the Giants to a game winning TD.
Eli has won 2 super bowls against 2 pretty good Patriots teams.
Mix a little bit of clutch and a whole lot of getting lucky, that's pretty much how it happens.
Also, Eli Manning vs. Joe Flacco - who is better?
So far career wise Eli without a doubt. Moving forward I would give Flacco the slight edge only because of age. I'd take Eli for this upcoming season. Last season Flacco didn't have a great season himself. Winning super bowls does not make a quarterback great, there are plenty of subpar QB's that have rings. It takes a team, but the QB usually is a big part of it. Occasionally you'll see a great defense win Super Bowls, not often. Sure Eli got lucky, all QB's do.
It sucks that he had to have surgery in his ankle because I'd like to see him bounce back from that terrible season. Hopefully it won't effect him too much. I think he still has four more solid seasons left, at least above average seasons.
I wouldn't take Eli this season. Ankle surgery this late in the off-season. He still needs to learn a new system. Coming off a horrible year. He's aging and therefore likely has diminishing talent.
I'm praying to god we draft Aaron Murray with our 5th round compensation pick.
You forgot the part where Eli shook off TWO linemen who were in the process of sacking him, re-gained his composure, and rifled a bomb down field to a relatively open Tyree. Not to diminish The Catch, but to act like Eli had nothing to do with it is ignoring what actually happened. Mind you, that play only got the Giants to the 25 yard line. Eli still had to drive the Giants to a game winning TD.
You can't mention this play without also mentioning the 4826247 holds by the Giants' OL.
Over-analyzing it is silly though, it's one of the most memorable plays ever, lucky or otherwise.
Eli at his peak was an extremely durable above-average qb who was prone to turnovers and hilariously dumb decisions at times.
And an 89+ QB rating in the playoffs, an 8-3 record there, 2 road victories at Lambeau (one against Favre in the snow), another in San Fran, and ruining Tom Brady and Bill Bellicheat's shot at perfection. And 2 Super Bowl MVPs.
The Giants signed Josh Freeman. What an heir to Eli's throne!
Oh man.
btw, you think Chris Johnson is going to end up a Jet?
I'd peg it at 50/50 last night. I'm fairly certain he's only received an offer from the Jets at this point and was at the Nets/Knicks game last night (when rumors were he was going to Atlanta, or Buffalo or the Pats or [insert any NFL team here]). The meeting reportedly went well, the Jets were upfront about him sharing duties with Ivory and they left on good terms.
I think CJ is just doing a little posturing hoping for more guarantees or something, but it's entirely possible some team with a lot of money throws some at him to the point he jumps at it.
I would say the Jets are leading right now, but it's far from a given that they sign him.
btw, you think Chris Johnson is going to end up a Jet?
And it's official. The Jets have the best dreadlocked backfield in the history of the NFL. MOVE BITCH.
Chris Johnson has always been one of my favorite players, but probably for the wrong reasons. I drafted him in FFL his rookie season in the 7th round and he was mostly responsible for two championships because of our rule doubling points for all TD's over 50 yards. After I did not protect him for the first time last season, I still ended up trading Hakeem Nicks for him in week 3 in a trade that helped neither of us. I dont think he is done. Certainly cant expect the old CJ2K anymore but no reason to think he cant at least be CJ1.2K. Im probably bias but on a two year deal, this really looks like a low risk deal for the Jets.
Freeman may not even make the final 53. As far as I'm concerned he's just a camp arm (since Eli will miss part of OTAs due to ankle surgery). Maybe Freeman will get the #2 spot over Curtis Painter/Ryan Nassib. Or maybe he'll be cut.
And I'm very low on Nassib anyway. If you can't seize #2 duties from Curtis f*ckin Painter, you're probably worthless human scum.
The post-Eli starting QB for the Giants very likely isn't on the roster yet.
Freeman may not even make the final 53. As far as I'm concerned he's just a camp arm (since Eli will miss part of OTAs due to ankle surgery). Maybe Freeman will get the #2 spot over Curtis Painter/Ryan Nassib. Or maybe he'll be cut.
And I'm very low on Nassib anyway. If you can't seize #2 duties from Curtis f*ckin Painter, you're probably worthless human scum.
The post-Eli starting QB for the Giants very likely isn't on the roster yet.
I agree about Nassib and I'm glad that the Giants didn't need to depend on this draft to find an Eli replacement. At least among the anointed first and second rounders. Sometimes your replacement comes when you least expect it.
Post by bansheebeat on May 8, 2014 10:49:06 GMT -5
Hoping I can somehow avoid waking up to a crap ton of notifications that spoil the draft. Hoping to be able to watch a recording online without spoilers. Wherever Bridgewater goes I go, so I hope it's good (please don't let it be the Browns).