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Eli also holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a post-season. In 2011, he also set the NFL record for most 4th quarter TD passes in a season.
Eli Manning - totally can't carry a team on his back.
"Most passing yards in a postseason" is a meaningless stat. Better teams play less games in the playoffs.
A Super Bowl champion has to at least play three games that post season. But it still isn't a good judge of the QB's quality. It could just as well be a sign that the team trailed a lot of the time. Eli's comeback wins are better testament to his leadership and skill, however lucky some of those catches may have been, under pressure. Plus, I gained extra respect for him seeing him continue to get up off the ground with his shoulder pads hanging out and his helmet turned sideways.
The Giants have won 8, 10, 9 and 9 games in that span, or 36 wins. The Jets have won 9, 11, 8 and 6 games, or 34 games overall. They're not on different planes of NFL existence, they are separated by two wins (and not the two regular season wins from above): the Giants won their conference title game (the Jets whiffed on two chances), and then the Giants won the big one. Over the past four years the teams have had similar issues with consistency and that extends to the QBs (relax, Jimmy; Eli is way, way, way, way better than Sanchez, don't worry I'm not trolling you).
I think people give Eli too much credit based on those SB wins, only one of which he really played well in. I guess it beats the opposite, which was "completely irrational hate leading people to say Eli sucks." I think Eli is an above-average QB who has learned to make his mistakes deep so they hurt him less and he is one of the best QBs of my lifetime at avoiding pressure (something he doesn't get enough credit for, imo). But he's not on a level with guys like Rodgers/Brees/PeyPey/Brady and I think the RGIII/Wilson/Luck/Kaep group will pass him by sooner rather than later, but Eli is worth every penny for what he's done for the Gmen. He gives them a chance to win every week and while he'll occasionally still throw up a stinker now and then, you don't doubt he'll bounce back from it.
Post by Dave Maynar on Aug 1, 2013 22:06:15 GMT -5
I caught like 5 minutes of Pro Football Talk (?) on the NBC sports network tonight. They were interviewing Morris Claiborne from the Cowboys. He talked a little about how he felt really confident coming into this season and how he felt he was going to have a great year and how he stacks up when lined up against Dez Bryant in practice. He was then asked "Riley Cooper has been in the news a lot in the last 24 hours. Do you think it will be any different lining up against him this season?" Claiborne responded that it would be different lining up against every WR this year because he felt better than he ever has in the NFL which was a nice sidestep of where the interviewer wanted the answer to go (and also an answer that was actually about him and not Cooper). Not to be deterred, the interviewer then clarified what Cooper had been in the news for (like Claiborne had not heard of it) and asked if he would have a problem sharing a locker room with Cooper. Claiborne then responded that he wouldn't care because people say things all the time that they shouldn't and/or didn't mean to and one incident shouldn't define how you feel about someone forever. It was wonderful to see the look on the interviewer's face because he kind of obviously wanted to see some big angry reaction from Claiborne and seemed miffed when he got sidestepped then got a diplomatic answer.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 1, 2013 22:18:01 GMT -5
Those were great PR responses from Mo. I've been expecting him to become one of the dominant CBs in the NFL since seeing him shut down the Giants' WRs in his first ever pro game. I'm sure these guys hear much worse on the field during the course of a game.
Those were great PR responses from Mo. I've been expecting him to become one of the dominant CBs in the NFL since seeing him shut down the Giants' WRs in his first ever pro game. I'm sure these guys hear much worse on the field during the course of a game.
I really enjoyed both his responses because I am sure Claiborne went on there to talk about himself and the Cowboys not some other guy on another team for something that isn't related to on the field play. Also, honestly, there's that borderline racist undercurrent to it when they basically say, "Hey, you're black. You must have a strong opinion on this, right?"
Those were great PR responses from Mo. I've been expecting him to become one of the dominant CBs in the NFL since seeing him shut down the Giants' WRs in his first ever pro game. I'm sure these guys hear much worse on the field during the course of a game.
You think guys drop racial epithets on the regular during games?
Those were great PR responses from Mo. I've been expecting him to become one of the dominant CBs in the NFL since seeing him shut down the Giants' WRs in his first ever pro game. I'm sure these guys hear much worse on the field during the course of a game.
You think guys drop racial epithets on the regular during games?
It wouldn't surprise me, but there are worse things that could be said. Sure Riley is a bonehead. He is also a fairly insignificant player even if the Eagles are expecting more from him this year. His team mates will deal with him and it isn't worth any other humans energy to hate him.
You think guys drop racial epithets on the regular during games?
It wouldn't surprise me, but there are worse things that could be said. Sure Riley is a bonehead. He is also a fairly insignificant player even if the Eagles are expecting more from him this year. His team mates will deal with him and it isn't worth any other humans energy to hate him.
Until they get on the field against him.
First, if players using racial epithets was commonplace, you would 100% know about it. NFL players are probably the most vocal when it comes to pointing out the shortcomings of their own league, to think someone wouldn't tweet about something like that is probably naive. The NFL is the most important sports league in the world (yes, including EPL, Serie A and La Liga) and if they sat on their hands while there was rampant racism in the sport it would be one of the only things that could derail the greenback printing press they've set up on Fifth Avenue in NYC.
Regarding Cooper - this isn't something that should be dismissed. At all. An NFL player said one of the worst things you can ever say, to anyone. It's yet another reminder (much like the disgusting reaction to Marc Anthony singing the national anthem at the MLB ASG) that racism is not only alive in this country, it's thriving in a new generation of hate-filled idiots who are conditioned to think this way.
I think the NFL (or the Eagles) should suspend him for a game. Set a precedent. Not addressing it and letting it fester is easily the worst direction to take. NFL players don't govern themselves and Gooddell thrust himself into the forefront of the discipline for this league, he HAS to speak up on this. Saying that he won't act because the league doesn't "double dip" on punishment is utter crap. He's the commissioner who has flipped the NFLPA the bird and said "I am the judge, the jury and the executioner" for the past 7 years.
I caught like 5 minutes of Pro Football Talk (?) on the NBC sports network tonight. They were interviewing Morris Claiborne from the Cowboys. He talked a little about how he felt really confident coming into this season and how he felt he was going to have a great year and how he stacks up when lined up against Dez Bryant in practice. He was then asked "Riley Cooper has been in the news a lot in the last 24 hours. Do you think it will be any different lining up against him this season?" Claiborne responded that it would be different lining up against every WR this year because he felt better than he ever has in the NFL which was a nice sidestep of where the interviewer wanted the answer to go (and also an answer that was actually about him and not Cooper). Not to be deterred, the interviewer then clarified what Cooper had been in the news for (like Claiborne had not heard of it) and asked if he would have a problem sharing a locker room with Cooper. Claiborne then responded that he wouldn't care because people say things all the time that they shouldn't and/or didn't mean to and one incident shouldn't define how you feel about someone forever. It was wonderful to see the look on the interviewer's face because he kind of obviously wanted to see some big angry reaction from Claiborne and seemed miffed when he got sidestepped then got a diplomatic answer.
I definitely respect that. Riley Cooper is an idiot, and I have no interest in taking up his cause, but the media reaction to this has been absurd.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 2, 2013 7:31:13 GMT -5
The trash talking has probably died down to an extent over the past couple of decades. I'm sure players families are still brought into the line of verbal fire during a game and that isn't the same degree of hatred. It's very unprofessional and bigoted of Riley. It's not as if these guys haven't heard these type of remarks from someone before. It would be great to see Goodell make a stand to show it won't be tolerated but with nothing illegal having happened and no intent to injure another player on the field perhaps it's best to leave it up to the team to decide.
The trash talking has probably died down to an extent over the past couple of decades. I'm sure players families are still brought into the line of verbal fire during a game and that isn't the same degree of hatred. It's very unprofessional and bigoted of Riley. It's not as if these guys haven't heard these type of remarks from someone before. It would be great to see Goodell make a stand to show it won't be tolerated but with nothing illegal having happened and no intent to injure another player on the field perhaps it's best to leave it up to the team to decide.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 2, 2013 7:53:51 GMT -5
I'm serious. They've probably encountered racist assholes somewhere in their life and seen evidence of these people's existence somewhere in media. If these things aren't affecting you personally or others on a large scale why let it get your personal mood out of whack. Riley has the right to be an idiot and I'm sure will get questioned in person on his remarks several times throughout the remainder of his career and afterwards.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 2, 2013 7:57:15 GMT -5
I was too quick and didnt put a lot of thought into assuming these slurs were used in the course of a game as I'm sure that would lead to a quick fight and several ejections. In the eyes of the league it probably wouldn't be as punishable as say Romanowski spitting in a players face or a player admonishing a late hit on someone or kicking them in the groin after a play.
Edit: Actually I wasn't assuming those things were said in a game. I just made a statement that terrible things are said during a game. Juggs is right. There are few, if any, more hateful things that could Be used in the course if trash talking
For f*ck's sake. There is so much wrong with what you just said.
First, hearing racist pieces of sh*t use racial epithets before doesn't mean you should have to hear it again, or if you do that you should handle the situation with the utmost dignity and class by walking away.
Second, racism affects people of color. Just because Cooper's racism didn't affect a particular person doesn't mean that person has no right to feel upset over the fact a young, white male is being given no serious punishment for being openly hateful. You're being naive if you think people are upset that some random *sshole said the word instead of the fact it's still being used and people aren't doing anything to really stop it from happening.
Third, Riley has the right to be an idiot. The league and his team have the right to suspend or cut him for being an idiot. Fact. NFL law =/= federal or state law. You sign a contract to work in the NFL and adhere to their specific guidelines. Riley's behavior violated more than one code in the behavioral guidelines for NFL players. If you think it's unfair persecution to tell him to f*ck off for a week (or more) and take game pay from him you are just condoning his behavior the same way Goodell is.
Cooper's entire life will now be associated with that word, that's his own personal punishment. But why is it fair to expect people who were offended by that word (and let's be clear, this is a word associated with the slaughter, torture and rape of an entire civilization of people for multiple centuries, their descendants have a right to be f*cking pissed) to shrug it off because the guy who said it is going to have a rough go of it from now on? That's his own fault, not theirs. Suspending him sends a clear message that needs to be sent before things spiral out of control. Letting it fester opens the league up to instances of retribution and all hell can break loose.
But your logic about this subject is just dumbfounding.
For f*ck's sake. There is so much wrong with what you just said.
First, hearing racist pieces of sh*t use racial epithets before doesn't mean you should have to hear it again, or if you do that you handle the situation with the utmost dignity and class by walking away.
Second, racism affects people of color. Just because Cooper's racism didn't affect a particular person doesn't mean that person has no right to feel upset over the fact a young, white male is being given no serious punishment for being openly hateful. You're being naive if you think people are upset that some random *sshole said the word instead of the fact it's still being used and people aren't doing anything to really stop it from happening.
Third, Riley has the right to be an idiot. The league and his team have the right to suspend or cut him for being an idiot. Fact. NFL law =/= federal or state law. You sign a contract to work in the NFL and adhere to their specific guidelines. Riley's behavior violated more than one code in the behavioral guidelines for NFL players. If you think it's unfair persecution to tell him to f*ck off for a week (or more) and take game pay from him you are just condoning his behavior the same way Goodell is.
Cooper's entire life will now be associated with that word, that's his own personal punishment. But why is it fair to expect people who were offended by that word (and let's be clear, this is a word associated with the slaughter, torture and rape of an entire civilization of people for multiple centuries, their descendants have a right to be f*cking pissed) to shrug it off because the guy who said it is going to have a rough go of it from now on? That's his own fault, not theirs. Suspending him sends a clear message that needs to be sent before things spiral out of control. Letting it fester opens the league up to instances of retribution and all hell can break loose.
But your logic about this subject is just dumbfounding.
Side question: Do you hit the ground running in the morning or does it take a little bit for you to work up to beast mode?
I know you directed this at Fuzz, but I just wanted to clarify that I liked Claiborne's answer but feel other's responses, i.e. LeSean McCoy's, are just as valid. I just took issue with the interviewer trying to create a more controversial interview by trying to play off the assumption that everyone had to be mad about it.
For f*ck's sake. There is so much wrong with what you just said.
First, hearing racist pieces of sh*t use racial epithets before doesn't mean you should have to hear it again, or if you do that you handle the situation with the utmost dignity and class by walking away.
Second, racism affects people of color. Just because Cooper's racism didn't affect a particular person doesn't mean that person has no right to feel upset over the fact a young, white male is being given no serious punishment for being openly hateful. You're being naive if you think people are upset that some random *sshole said the word instead of the fact it's still being used and people aren't doing anything to really stop it from happening.
Third, Riley has the right to be an idiot. The league and his team have the right to suspend or cut him for being an idiot. Fact. NFL law =/= federal or state law. You sign a contract to work in the NFL and adhere to their specific guidelines. Riley's behavior violated more than one code in the behavioral guidelines for NFL players. If you think it's unfair persecution to tell him to f*ck off for a week (or more) and take game pay from him you are just condoning his behavior the same way Goodell is.
Cooper's entire life will now be associated with that word, that's his own personal punishment. But why is it fair to expect people who were offended by that word (and let's be clear, this is a word associated with the slaughter, torture and rape of an entire civilization of people for multiple centuries, their descendants have a right to be f*cking pissed) to shrug it off because the guy who said it is going to have a rough go of it from now on? That's his own fault, not theirs. Suspending him sends a clear message that needs to be sent before things spiral out of control. Letting it fester opens the league up to instances of retribution and all hell can break loose.
But your logic about this subject is just dumbfounding.
Side question: Do you hit the ground running in the morning or does it take a little bit for you to work up to beast mode?
I know you directed this at Fuzz, but I just wanted to clarify that I liked Claiborne's answer but feel other's responses, i.e. LeSean McCoy's, are just as valid. I just took issue with the interviewer trying to create a more controversial interview by trying to play off the assumption that everyone had to be mad about it.
Hah, I've been at work since like 5:45 this morning, but I can assure you that from 5:00 until about 7:30 I was anything but beastmode. I spent 15 minutes staring at the wall behind my computer monitor trying not to puke (what up, hangover?).
I very much liked the way Claiborne answered those questions, he seems like a class act and I really enjoyed watching him last year. He's probably the leading candidate of young CB's to enter the upper echelon this season.
The media's way of trying to force and trap players into discussing topics they don't want to discuss is despicable, but not anything new. It'd be nice if people didn't attack black players about this incident, but then ESPN wouldn't be able to sweep the Aaron-Hernandez-killed-a-guy story under the rug and give 50 players rushed reactions to something a lot of them probably didn't even know as going on.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 2, 2013 8:16:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately we will never live in an empathetically perfect world. There will always be people using the term Riley used. That's not changing. The entire human race will never be free from racism unfortunately. If he was to say it around anyone who was offended regardless of that persons race or creed I would expect a reacton wether it be calling him out, questioning, or even physical. I would be all for the league taking action, but then it opens itself up to investigating the merits of suspending every player who makes an idiot statement.
When everyone stops worrying about this can you please change The Washington team name, please?
I mean, literally -- if you look up the word Redskin in the dictionary, it's defined simply as, "Used as a disparaging term for a Native American." This isn't even really debatable, the name is offensive not because of any sort of allusion or interpretation -- it's defined as a racial slur.
I know you directed this at Fuzz, but I just wanted to clarify that I liked Claiborne's answer but feel other's responses, i.e. LeSean McCoy's, are just as valid. I just took issue with the interviewer trying to create a more controversial interview by trying to play off the assumption that everyone had to be mad about it.
What was McCoy's response?
And I'm sure Claiborne was upset by the comment just isn't wasting his energy harbouring resentment.
When everyone stops worrying about this can you please change The Washington team name, please?
I mean, literally -- if you look up the word Redskin in the dictionary, it's defined simply as, "Used as a disparaging term for a Native American." This isn't even really debatable, the name is offensive not because of any sort of allusion or interpretation -- it's defined as a racial slur.
Wait, so the word "n******" isn't defined as a racial slur?
(yes, the Redskins' name should be changed, but I don't know why we can't strive for that and also a league with zero tolerance for racial slurs for all races & creeds)
"I forgive him. We've been friends for a long time," the running back said Thursday. "But in a situation like this, you really find out about someone. Just on a friendship level, I can't really respect someone like that."
"Ain't nothing to prove. He said how he felt," McCoy said, according to CSNPhilly.com. "He's still a teammate. I'm still going to block for him. I'm still gonna show great effort. Just on a friendship level, and as a person, I can't really respect somebody like that. I think as a team, we need to move past it. There are some things that are going to be hard to work with, to be honest."