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The Bears, Lions, Vikings, LOLPanthers, Bucs are getting way too much respect in this thread. None of those teams are clearly better than the Cowboys or Redskins, and the LOLPanthers are clearly worse. (Obviously the Giants are better than all the aforementioned teams).
The Redskins are not that good and RGIII could go down at any moment. The Cowboys hahaha. They have not been good in the last 10 years. Just the same mediocre football every year
if someone told you the Giants will win the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't be a surprise because of Eli Manning.
I would disagree with this. Looking at 2012's comp %, Yards, Yards per attempt, TDs, Ints, Rating and Yards per game, Eli only ranked in the top 10 in TDs (t-9th) and Ints (10th). Not exactly the rankings you would expect for someone who is supposed to be the reason for a team to make the Super Bowl.
I don't know how you can say the Giants are "clearly better" than two teams that finished with a better record last season.
I dont actually believe that. I'll admit the Bears might be better if all goes according to plan for them. But I otherwise think the Giants are better. Really what it comes down to is, if someone told you the Giants will win the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't be a surprise because of Eli Manning. If someone said the same thing about the Panthers or Vikings it would be very hard to believe. I suppose the Skins are a very dangerous team too, if healthy. Cowboys still suck - I don't care if Dez Bryant is the second best receiver in the league.
If someone came up to me today and said definitively that the Giants would win the Super Bowl, I would laugh at them (in my head, I don't laugh in people's faces, that's just rude).
Basically, if you name any team in the NFC besides Seattle, San Fran, Atlanta or GB as the SB representative from the NFC I will laugh and point at you with one of those "get a load of this guy!" faces on.
I dont actually believe that. I'll admit the Bears might be better if all goes according to plan for them. But I otherwise think the Giants are better. Really what it comes down to is, if someone told you the Giants will win the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't be a surprise because of Eli Manning. If someone said the same thing about the Panthers or Vikings it would be very hard to believe. I suppose the Skins are a very dangerous team too, if healthy. Cowboys still suck - I don't care if Dez Bryant is the second best receiver in the league.
If someone came up to me today and said definitively that the Giants would win the Super Bowl, I would laugh at them (in my head, I don't laugh in people's faces, that's just rude).
Basically, if you name any team in the NFC besides Seattle, San Fran, Atlanta or GB as the SB representative from the NFC I will laugh and point at you with one of those "get a load of this guy!" faces on.
But you of all people, as a Jets fan predicting an unexpectedly good season for your team this year, should know that things rarely if ever go according to scratch in the NFL. I would not be shocked if two of those teams fail to even make the playoffs this year. That's just how it goes in this league.
If someone came up to me today and said definitively that the Giants would win the Super Bowl, I would laugh at them (in my head, I don't laugh in people's faces, that's just rude).
Basically, if you name any team in the NFC besides Seattle, San Fran, Atlanta or GB as the SB representative from the NFC I will laugh and point at you with one of those "get a load of this guy!" faces on.
Don't be ignorant. Its not uncommon at all for an underdog-type to win the Super Bowl.
See recent wild card super bowl winners: Ravens, Giants, Packers, Giants
Ravens and 2011 Giants each won their divisions, so I assume you mean teams who won the Wild Card Round of the playoffs?
And while they were not favored in all but one of the playoff games, I have a hard time using the word "underdog" for the Ravens. They were a trendy Super Bowl pick for the past few seasons and only faltered down the stretch last year due to injuries and some questionable offensive game plans, before getting it together in the last couple weeks of the season and reestablishing themselves as the team they were to start the year. So I guess technically you are right, but, still, I just have a hard time using that term for a team that, for the most part, as a unit, had been as consistently good as you will find in the NFL for years.
But you of all people, as a Jets fan predicting an unexpectedly good season for your team this year, should know that things rarely if ever go according to scratch in the NFL. I would not be shocked if two of those teams fail to even make the playoffs this year. That's just how it goes in this league.
I'm predicting the Jets to get 9/10 wins and maybe make the playoffs, that's not really comparable to saying the four best NFC teams from a year ago are the most likely to make the SB.
Parity is certainly more prevalent in the NFL than other sports, but good teams that are run well in the front office remain good. The Niners and Seahawks would need a LOT to go wrong to not be two of the top 4 teams in the NFC, way more than a single player going down, that's for sure.
I would disagree with this. Looking at 2012's comp %, Yards, Yards per attempt, TDs, Ints, Rating and Yards per game, Eli only ranked in the top 10 in TDs (t-9th) and Ints (10th). Not exactly the rankings you would expect for someone who is supposed to be the reason for a team to make the Super Bowl.
You're better than that, Dave. Its two-time Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning we are taking about here. The year before that he had 4900 yards and won the Super Bowl.
I am not saying he is a bad quarterback. He's just not at a place to carry the team by himself.
But you of all people, as a Jets fan predicting an unexpectedly good season for your team this year, should know that things rarely if ever go according to scratch in the NFL. I would not be shocked if two of those teams fail to even make the playoffs this year. That's just how it goes in this league.
I'm predicting the Jets to get 9/10 wins and maybe make the playoffs, that's not really comparable to saying the four best NFC teams from a year ago are the most likely to make the SB.
Parity is certainly more prevalent in the NFL than other sports, but good teams that are run well in the front office remain good. The Niners and Seahawks would need a LOT to go wrong to not be two of the top 4 teams in the NFC, way more than a single player going down, that's for sure.
Don't be ignorant. Its not uncommon at all for an underdog-type to win the Super Bowl.
See recent wild card super bowl winners: Ravens, Giants, Packers, Giants
Okay, but you're saying that the Giants have as good a shot as any team, which is laughable.
First, I agree with you that those 4 teams are the favorites in the NFC as of July 31, 2013. However, this time last year, the Giants were just coming off a Super Bowl victory and may have topped that list. Today you would apparently laugh in the face of anyone making that suggestion. Things change very quickly in this league, and momentum is a fickle b*tch.
Seattle is also a very trendy pick, and I think people may be overstating Seattle's greatness. Don't get me wrong, they are a very good team, but they technically were only 10-6 last year (because everyone on the planet knows they did not beat Green Bay). They turned it on and came together as the season progressed, which certainly gives them some momentum going forward and reason for their fans to be hopeful, but so did Washington. Yes, Seattle beat Washington in the playoffs. I personally think the game would have gone much differently had Bob Griffin not become handicapped at the beginning of the 2nd quarter when Washington had a 14-0 league, but that is an impossible hypothetical that is senseless to dwell on.
As for the Jets, I am not trying to sh*t on your team, but most of the "experts" rank the Jets among the bottom 5 teams in preseason power rankings. I personally do not see any offensive firepower on paper, but that does not mean certain players will not step up. It is possible they could win 9 or 10 games and make the playoffs, but that would be very surprising to most people that inhabit Earth.
I'm predicting the Jets to get 9/10 wins and maybe make the playoffs, that's not really comparable to saying the four best NFC teams from a year ago are the most likely to make the SB.
Parity is certainly more prevalent in the NFL than other sports, but good teams that are run well in the front office remain good. The Niners and Seahawks would need a LOT to go wrong to not be two of the top 4 teams in the NFC, way more than a single player going down, that's for sure.
Okay, but you're saying that the Giants have as good a shot as any team, which is laughable.
First, I agree with you that those 4 teams are the favorites in the NFC as of July 31, 2013. However, this time last year, the Giants were just coming off a Super Bowl victory and may have topped that list. Today you would apparently laugh in the face of anyone making that suggestion. Things change very quickly in this league, and momentum is a fickle b*tch.
Seattle is also a very trendy pick, and I think people may be overstating Seattle's greatness. Don't get me wrong, they are a very good team, but they technically were only 10-6 last year (because everyone on the planet knows they did not beat Green Bay). They turned it on and came together as the season progressed, which certainly gives them some momentum going forward and reason for their fans to be hopeful, but so did Washington. Yes, Seattle beat Washington in the playoffs. I personally think the game would have gone much differently had Bob Griffin not become handicapped at the beginning of the 2nd quarter when Washington had a 14-0 league, but that is an impossible hypothetical that is senseless to dwell on.
As for the Jets, I am not trying to sh*t on your team, but most of the "experts" rank the Jets among the bottom 5 teams in preseason power rankings. I personally do not see any offensive firepower on paper, but that does not mean certain players will not step up. It is possible they could win 9 or 10 games and make the playoffs, but that would be very surprising to most people that inhabit Earth.
I'd just like the record to show that I laughed when people called the Giants SB favorites last year, also.
Let the record also show I was fully aboard the Seahawks bandwagon before pretty much anyone. What makes them good isn't going away (they have a bully secondary, they have good pressure on pass plays and they have athletic LB's...Russell Wilson & Beastmode, the OL and the play-action/read-option passing attack). Juggs put it well earlier when he said Harvin was a luxury, because that's exactly what he was. I would be shocked if Seattle wins less than 10 games, but I think they're a great pick for an 11-5 finish and a tie for the divisional title (which will be decided by tie-breakers, which is always fun).
Regarding my boys in green, I don't take people saying they won't be good as sh*tting on them. They sucked last year, so it's not unwarranted. And I know that most people picked them to suck, but that happens literally every season. The only year in recent memory that they weren't picked to finish towards the bottom was the 2010 season, and that was based on them making the AFC Title game the year prior. The general public will always pick the low side on the Jets until they win a Super Bowl, and even then I doubt that will stop entirely. And I'm not predicting 9/10 wins, I'm saying it's possible. My real prediction is 8-8 with the team struggling out of the gate and then finishing strong to save Rex's job.
I am not saying he is a bad quarterback. He's just not at a place to carry the team by himself.
Would you rather have Cam Newton under center? I think you might be confusing Fantasy Football Value with Real Value.
You weren't comparing him to Cam Newton in your original post. You were saying that the Giants are more certain for Super Bowl because of Eli. I was disputing that Eli could be considered the single reason for a team making a Super Bowl.
Edit: If you wanted to compare the two though, Eli and Cam's respective qb ratings for 2012 were 87.2 and 86.2.
The Rams and Cards were a combined 3-4-1 against the Niners and Seahawks last year. Those two teams are a lot tougher than you're giving them credit for.
So I hear Chip Kelly is running nearly his entire offense out of the shotgun. Vick should really last a long time running an offense like that.
I think the Rams and Cardinals could both put up 8 or so wins this year. You just HAVE to love the defense coming out of that division. All four teams are capable of top 10 defense.
I hadn't heard that about Chip. From my understanding, he was a big fan of 2 TE and 3 TE power I and singleback sets. It's hard to say right now, but I'm expecting a more smashmouth version of the Patriot offense. A) Hopefully Vick isn't running an offense B) Vick actually hurt himself this morning trying to get a crusty out of his eye.
You're better than that, Dave. Its two-time Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning we are taking about here. The year before that he had 4900 yards and won the Super Bowl.
I am not saying he is a bad quarterback. He's just not at a place to carry the team by himself.
I agree. This year they may make the playoffs, but unless some new members of that D step up, I don't think Eli can pull it off anymore. He got far too much credit for those SB's. It's always been about line play, whether it be on the defensive or offensive line. The Giants don't have what it takes to dominate the trenches anymore.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 31, 2013 12:02:45 GMT -5
I could see the Cards being a surprise team. They had one of the top defenses last year and Carson should be an improvement at QB. I remember a couple of RBs having 200 + yard games on the Rams a couple of years ago. I didn't pay them much attention last year. Did they improve? Who is replacing Jackson in their backfield?
Edit for not taking a few seconds to review my iPhone typing. Again.
I could see the Cards being a surprise team. They had one of the top defenses last year and Carson should be an improvement at QB. I remember a couple of RBs having 200 + yard games on the Rams a couple of years ago. I didn't pay them much attention last year. Did they improve? Who is replacing Jackson in their backfield?
Edit for not taking a few seconds to review my iPhone typing. Again.
The Rams defense last year really looked great as the season progressed. They're currently in the midst of a competition at the RB spot, but I like a few of the guys that they have. They're offense may consistantly be an issue, but if it's even average, I think 8 wins is certainly possible. Jeff Fisher has had a plan for that team, and he seems to be implementing quickly. I'd keep an eye on them over the next year or 2. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Bradford.
Very misleading photo angle. He's not that fat at all.
Oh well. That angle is still pretty hilarious.
He's still a good 15-20 pounds overweight I suspect. But that's not a dire situation, he just needs to run and work out and stop being lazy around the house (which is common for rookies & young players).
He's still a good 15-20 pounds overweight I suspect. But that's not a dire situation, he just needs to run and work out and stop being lazy around the house (which is common for rookies & young players).
The other pictures show that he's certainly on his way to being in football shape, so I wouldn't be too worried about him. At least he's not the hungry mofo in the first picture. I'd probably skip the gym a few times as well if some guy just handed me a few million bucks.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 31, 2013 13:10:11 GMT -5
Not that the Prow Bowl matters, but the league is making serious changes.
AFC-NFC format gone in 2014 ESPN.com news services | July 31, 2013 The NFL is overhauling the Pro Bowl, eliminating the AFC-NFC format in favor of captains picking 43 players per team regardless of conference.
In addition, kickoffs will be eliminated from the game as a safety measure, one of several changes to the game.
Voting for the game also will be changed as conference affiliation no longer will be considered in determining the All-Star selections.
Hall of Famers Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders will be captains of their respective picking teams. The Pro Bowl draft will be held Jan. 22 next year and the game will be played Jan. 26 at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu.
I would disagree with this. Looking at 2012's comp %, Yards, Yards per attempt, TDs, Ints, Rating and Yards per game, Eli only ranked in the top 10 in TDs (t-9th) and Ints (10th). Not exactly the rankings you would expect for someone who is supposed to be the reason for a team to make the Super Bowl.
You're better than that, Dave. Its two-time Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning we are taking about here. The year before that he had 4900 yards and won the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl QB might be the weakest statistic to measure success of all time. Plunkett, Dilfer, D. Williams, Rypien, B. Johnson. Solid, but not a one was spectacular over a period of time. And don't point out the difference between a SB QB MVP and a SB winning QB - it's essentially the same thing.
Super Bowl QB might be the weakest statistic to measure success of all time. Plunkett, Dilfer, D. Williams, Rypien, B. Johnson. Solid, but not a one was spectacular over a period of time. And don't point out the difference between a SB QB MVP and a SB winning QB - it's essentially the same thing.
I dare you to list all the QBs that won more than 1 Super Bowl.
You dare me? Like you have batteries on your shoulder kind of sh*t?