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You'd be wrong about that. More than a few people took it that way actually and started defending Jess's parenting. From everything I know Jess is a great parent and I wouldn't call into question his methods. I also don't think that's what noD was trying to do.
The only one I saw was Sunfox, who seemed to be responding more to Jess's assertion that NoD had attacked his parenting skills than NoD's actual post. The others were just like "well obviously he's mature enough to raise good kids," which again to me spoke to the point that NoD was just calling Jess immature, not saying that this immaturity made him a bad parents. As Zapp also just said, the mention of the teenage kids was just to highlight Jess's age and illustrate how NoD thought it was lame that a grown man would be bragging about partying.
Good points. I just automatically considered the posts about Jess's parenting to mean they took it that way but now that I see what you're saying I guess even those posts are up to the interpretation of the reader.
we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??)
this kind of reminds me of the time when noD said that b/c i posted a not so lady-like story in the sex thread, that i was a terrible teacher and did not deserve to have a job.
noD and juggs (or anyone else on this board for that matter) are NOT the world police OR the inforoo police.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:35:54 GMT -5
Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.
Not drunk just going to bars and drinking, calm yourself son. Also in Tn it is completely legal for a passenger to drink just not the driver. I don't drive when I am trashed
Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.
we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??) .
Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.
Not drunk just going to bars and drinking, calm yourself son. Also in Tn it is completely legal for a passenger to drink just not the driver. I don't drive when I am trashed
Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.
I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.
we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??) .
That's not what we're arguing at all actually.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Come on EAP you know that's not true. Read the comments. All that was said is that nodepression finds grown men talking about how much they party is lame. Neither he nor Juggs said anything about Jess's parenting skills.
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Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.
Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.
I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.
Jess, I think you're confusing things here or reading posts too fast. I am just saying how I interpreted that post from you and why some people are possibly upset about it.
I didn't say I had a problem with when we drove and I didn't say that I specifically agree with the people who think you should be 100% sober when driving. I was merely trying to point out why people have a problem with your initial posts that started the reaction.
All I was doing was saying that some people feel that you shouldn't have a few drinks while driving or before driving. Some people think you should be 100% sober. I never said that I was one of them. I didn't really give my opinion on that topic...just trying to clarify things and why people assumed you were driving while drinking (even if you weren't "wasted" or "trashed").
If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.
It would certainly be preferable to me if this were the case in the "real world".
I live at least 5 miles from the nearest bar, sorry you can think it is preferable but it is not how the real world operates. I think it would be preferable if corn was legal and cops were required to call me sir and treat me with respect but hey I live in the real world. Also if this is your gripe you and Bacon go start a thread about it, all I can say is that the 2-3 times I have been through a sobriety checkpoint driving after the bar in the past 10 years I have never been given a bit of trouble. My point right now is people who seem to want to tie how immature they think I am into my parenting skills.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Please give it a rest EAP because that's not what is being argued at all. You're blowing things way out of proportion. No need for hyperbole...just talk like a normal person. Juggs and noD said nothing like that and both have repeatedly pointed out they weren't even talking about parenting. So stop pelase.
Come on EAP you know that's not true. Read the comments. All that was said is that nodepression finds grown men talking about how much they party is lame. Neither he nor Juggs said anything about Jess's parenting skills.
No Jeff he could have said that all he wanted without pissing me off, he tied that comment into about how I have kids, and should be over it/not do it/whatever.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.
Jess, I think you're confusing things here or reading posts too fast. I am just saying how I interpreted that post from you and why some people are possibly upset about it.
I didn't say I had a problem with when we drove and I didn't say that I specifically agree with the people who think you should be 100% sober when driving. I was merely trying to point out why people have a problem with your initial posts that started the reaction.
All I was doing was saying that some people feel that you shouldn't have a few drinks while driving or before driving. Some people think you should be 100% sober. I never said that I was one of them. I didn't really give my opinion on that topic...just trying to clarify things and why people assumed you were driving while drinking (even if you weren't "wasted" or "trashed").
I apologize I am still a little on edge at the moment, and literally still mad enough to be seeing red.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Please give it a rest EAP because that's not what is being argued at all. You're blowing things way out of proportion. No need for hyperbole...just talk like a normal person. Juggs and noD said nothing like that and both have repeatedly pointed out they weren't even talking about parenting. So stop pelase.
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
Sorry that is still out and out malarky who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shiz like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
his snide remarks don't come without judgements behind them.
i know you are one of the nicest people i've met zapp and you like to believe the best, but you can't really think that isn't true.
I really do. People can't express exactly what they mean sometimes (this especially applies in written form) and the only thing you can do is try to understand where they're coming from and make something positive out of it. A lot of implications are taken out of writing and most of them time, I have found anyway, that the implications are incorrect.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
Sorry that is still out and out bullhonkey who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shiz like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
I agree, but I also really do feel he was just trying to do just that, and given y'all's relationship in the past and how easily it is to feel attacked when something so personal is brought up, implications were made that are probably a little off.
EDIT: Agree with the boldfaced statement and "just that" pertaining to highlighting your age.
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Sorry that is still out and out bullhonkey who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shiz like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
I agree, but I also really do feel he was just trying to do just that, and given y'all's relationship in the past and how easily it is to feel attacked when something so personal is brought up, implications were made that are probably a little off.
EDIT: Agree with the boldfaced statement and "just that" pertaining to highlighting your age.
In that case I am not out of line asking for an apology and a reassurance it will not happen again am I?
Not out of line feeling you deserve that, no. Everyone deserves to be apologized to if their feelings are hurt. I think either of you leaving would be very unfortunate, though, seeing as how you're both valuable to the community and have a lot to offer. It would be especially unfortunate for this to be the cause since at the root this is just a poorly worded statement and misunderstanding (in my opinion.)
I apologize I am still a little on edge at the moment, and literally still mad enough to be seeing red.
It's all good, I understand. I love you all
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I feel like it's been explained that the reason was to illustrate how old you are and not to say you're bad at raising your kids. It was to point out that he thinks someone with kids (what he would consider a grown up) wouldn't talk about how much they "party". At least that's how I viewed it.
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I feel like it's been explained that the reason was to illustrate how old you are and not to say you're bad at raising your kids. It was to point out that he thinks someone with kids (what he would consider a grown up) wouldn't talk about how much they "party". At least that's how I viewed it.
I think anyone with common sense would know that if you start discussing someone in a negative light and bring their children into they are going to get a reaction. Maybe it was a bigger one than he expected but he could have said "Jess is in his mid 30's and still talks about partying" and this would not have gone down.
You just do not bring kids/parents/family on here in arguments and Nodepression has been around long enough to know that. I think anyone who has kids is going to feel the same way I do as well.
I think anyone with common sense would know that if you start discussing someone in a negative light and bring their children into they are going to get a reaction. Maybe it was a bigger one than he expected but he could have said "Jess is in his mid 30's and still talks about partying" and this would not have gone down.
You just do not bring kids/parents/family on here in arguments and Nodepression has been around long enough to know that. I think anyone who has kids is going to feel the same way I do as well.
Yea, I tend to agree that bringing children/family members into the discussion isn't necessary and should be avoided. In fact I specifically said that much in the thread that it began in:
Let's keep personal things like family members out of these discussions....okay? Arguing is one thing. Bringing up a touchy subject like parenting always results in bigger arguments and heated comments. I personally didn't think noD was saying Jess is a bad parent but others did and I think it'd be better if we just didn't bring that kind of stuff into the discussion.
Hopefully nodepression sees that it bothered you this much and will grant you an apology for bringing your kids into this (since it clearly created a problem) and avoid doing it in the fuutre. Again though, I really don't think he was questioning your parenting skills.
