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I never said there was a conspiracy, I said the NFL chose to look the other way when an important franchise that they had built their 00's media campaign around promoting became a proven cheater.
The NFL and the media are not strangers to this sort of thing (Ray Lewis going from "he killed a guy!" to "Preach Ray" is an example). The NFL over time can mold storylines, I don't think that's too outrageous of a comment.
You don't find it the LEAST bit sketchy that the tapes were only viewed one time and then destroyed? If only the MLB could just eradicate all steroid users that easily, people would have already forgotten about Mark McGwire
The NFL didn't choose to look the other way. They penalized a rules infraction and moved on. The patriots haters, being patriots haters, didn't move on, because hey, its the perfect excuse to delegitimize one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history
It's funny that you bring up the steroids scandal. That was actual serious cheating, and yet noone's putting asterisks next to every championship team with a steroid user on it.
I hate to take emoney's side but Tom Brady is still the best qb in the NFL. it doesn't matter that his team cheated. it doesn't matter that he hasn't won a super bowl lately. he's still the best.
That's great, Sang, but that's not what I'm talking about.
The NFL didn't choose to look the other way. They penalized a rules infraction and moved on. The patriots haters, being patriots haters, didn't move on, because hey, its the perfect excuse to delegitimize one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history
It's funny that you bring up the steroids scandal. That was actual serious cheating, and yet noone's putting asterisks next to every championship team with a steroid user on it.
If the Pats don't cheat, no one gets to use spygate as "the perfect excuse to delegitimize one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history." Blame them, not us.
Did I suggest putting an asterisk next to the Pats' Super Bowls? No. But people can stop acting like it never happened.
If the Pats don't cheat, no one gets to use spygate as "the perfect excuse to delegitimize one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history." Blame them, not us.
That's entirely missing the point I was trying to make. And there you go again with "CHEATERS! THEY CHEATED! CHEATERS!"
Did I suggest putting an asterisk next to the Pats' Super Bowls? No. But people can stop acting like it never happened.
Saying "THEY HAVEN'T WON IT ALL SINCE SPYGATE" is the equivalent of trying to put an asterisk on it. That was your original statement, and that's what gets me mad when people bring up spygate, not the wishy-washy "stop acting like it never happened" stuff that you've fallen back on because the original argument is indefensible
Flanz is right that the Patriots probably gained an advantage from cheating. But the Patriots are still an impressive franchise/dynasty that quite literally competes for the Super Bowl every single year. So let's take it easy here, Flanz. The Pats made it to the AFC championship game and lost - and it was "underachieving.' If the Jets made it to the AFC championship game and lost...well, you probably wouldn't shut up about how good they are.
Maybe the Pats' lack of Super Bowl victories recently has something to do with not cheating anymore, but its probably more related to their lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball in recent years. Let's be real.
Also, Brady isn't nearly as good at throwing the deep ball as he used to be. The man is getting older, and will have to make similar adjustments that Peyton had to make this year if he wants to remain ELIte.
This has to be the most intelligent post I've read regarding the Patriots all day.
Flanz is right that the Patriots probably gained an advantage from cheating. But the Patriots are still an impressive franchise/dynasty that quite literally competes for the Super Bowl every single year. So let's take it easy here, Flanz. The Pats made it to the AFC championship game and lost - and it was "underachieving.' If the Jets made it to the AFC championship game and lost...well, you probably wouldn't shut up about how good they are.
Maybe the Pats' lack of Super Bowl victories recently has something to do with not cheating anymore, but its probably more related to their lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball in recent years. Let's be real.
Also, Brady isn't nearly as good at throwing the deep ball as he used to be. The man is getting older, and will have to make similar adjustments that Peyton had to make this year if he wants to remain ELIte.
I was nodding approvingly reading this post until I saw the word "ELIte."
Gonna make a props bet sheet for the Super Bowl, anybody want to play along?
Prop bets are the dumb, meaningless, silly bets Vegas has for the Super Bowl. For example: How many times will the announcers say the name "Harbaugh" during the game? -or- Who will win the coin toss?
It takes no skill or football knowledge to participate, but it makes the game that much more interesting. This can be for fun or something else if wanted.
Super Bowl prop bets are sooo stupid. By that I don't mean "Ray Rice will get more than 95 rushing & receiving yards," because that stuff is fairly predictable.
I'm talking about people betting on the coin toss, that is -115 odds for either bet, which is literally a tax on the stupid. No matter who wins, the betting will be relatively split down the middle and the house rakes in cash.
If you make a couple $5 bets, no big deal, but I have friends who legitimately throw $50 down on bets like this and it's just hilarious watching them freak out and curse at the TV because some guy didn't call "tails."
Kinda looking forward to not having the Giants as a participant in the Super Bowl this weekend. This way I can actually interact with people at the BBQ instead of being that freakshow who's sitting like 5 feet from the television in a folding chair, occasionally yelling about blown calls or what have you and startling the other guests.
Kinda looking forward to not having the Giants as a participant in the Super Bowl this weekend. This way I can actually interact with people at the BBQ instead of being that freakshow who's sitting like 5 feet from the television in a folding chair, occasionally yelling about blown calls or what have you and startling the other guests.
Hey, Jimmy. Shut up.
Easy, tiger. Just because his team had a reasonable shot at a playoff run doesn't mean you need to get all crabby. ;D
Easy, tiger. Just because his team had a reasonable shot at a playoff run doesn't mean you need to get all crabby. ;D
Well, they don't this year.
But any time someone goes "oh, I'm just happy my team isn't even in it this year! It's such a hassle rooting for my team in championship games!" in the presence of long-suffering fans, they get told to shut up.
In the scheme of things I could have said, that was as tame as it gets.
But any time someone goes "oh, I'm just happy my team isn't even in it this year! It's such a hassle rooting for my team in championship games!" in the presence of long-suffering fans, they get told to shut up.
Oh, I understand the plight of long-suffering fans. You seem to forget my two main football teams are
Super Bowl prop bets are sooo stupid. By that I don't mean "Ray Rice will get more than 95 rushing & receiving yards," because that stuff is fairly predictable.
I'm talking about people betting on the coin toss, that is -115 odds for either bet, which is literally a tax on the stupid. No matter who wins, the betting will be relatively split down the middle and the house rakes in cash.
If you make a couple $5 bets, no big deal, but I have friends who legitimately throw $50 down on bets like this and it's just hilarious watching them freak out and curse at the TV because some guy didn't call "tails."
So, I take you want in on this?
Correct, props bets are a waste of your money. Step of to the wheel and pick "red" or "black", but this is different. I make a list of about 30-40 prop bets, there are 2 -3 choices for each bet. Most are over/under bets (well, more like questions) and each answer is worth points. Player with most points at the end wins. Last year we did this and the prize was a Roo GA ticket. It is a way for people, who do not care which team loses, a way to enjoy not watching the Dolphins in the Super Bowl, again.
Super Bowl prop bets are sooo stupid. By that I don't mean "Ray Rice will get more than 95 rushing & receiving yards," because that stuff is fairly predictable.
I'm talking about people betting on the coin toss, that is -115 odds for either bet, which is literally a tax on the stupid. No matter who wins, the betting will be relatively split down the middle and the house rakes in cash.
If you make a couple $5 bets, no big deal, but I have friends who legitimately throw $50 down on bets like this and it's just hilarious watching them freak out and curse at the TV because some guy didn't call "tails."
So, I take you want in on this?
Correct, props bets are a waste of your money. Step of to the wheel and pick "red" or "black", but this is different. I make a list of about 30-40 prop bets, there are 2 -3 choices for each bet. Most are over/under bets (well, more like questions) and each answer is worth points. Player with most points at the end wins. Last year we did this and the prize was a Roo GA ticket. It is a way for people, who do not care which team loses, a way to enjoy not watching the Dolphins in the Super Bowl, again.
I mean, small-scale stuff with friends is fun just to have something to root for if your team isn't in it, I'm talking about people who lay down a couple hundred bucks on this stuff.
I have figured out why Flanzie Bear is so happy. Jamarcus Russell talk has begun.
Ugh, I hate PFT. Biggest hack-job football website on the web.
What's funny is about 12-15 teams have had "preliminary talks" about Russel (which is all he made it to with the Jets), but it's only a story for the Jets. The media is trying so hard to keep this "LOL Jets Cirkus!!" thing going, it's getting pretty embarrassing for them.
Everything Jet-related isn't a controversy or an embarrassing story. The Jets discussing a former top overall QB with a cannon for an arm and a peanut for a brain isn't news. It'll be news if they bring him in and have a dumb-off with Sanchez and Jamarcus, the loser gets 1st place in my own personal nightmare in the Meadowlands.
Correct, props bets are a waste of your money. Step of to the wheel and pick "red" or "black", but this is different. I make a list of about 30-40 prop bets, there are 2 -3 choices for each bet. Most are over/under bets (well, more like questions) and each answer is worth points. Player with most points at the end wins. Last year we did this and the prize was a Roo GA ticket. It is a way for people, who do not care which team loses, a way to enjoy not watching the Dolphins in the Super Bowl, again.
I mean, small-scale stuff with friends is fun just to have something to root for if your team isn't in it, I'm talking about people who lay down a couple hundred bucks on this stuff.
oh, I know. If they do not have the money, then they should not be willing to lose it.
I'll make the list and see if anybody wants to play, but give me a day. I work tonight.
Ugh, I hate PFT. Biggest hack-job football website on the web.
Let's not let Bleacher Report off the hook that easy. Just because they are on CNN now doesn't mean they don't still suck.
Bleacher Report has actually attempted to get credibility, though. They now at least tell the reader if this is a columnist they pay, or some random buffoon with a keyboard sounding off about his emotional grievances.
I don't really count BR as the same thing as PFT, anyway, since PFT is a "news" outlet and backed by NBC, I would assume they'd try to have even a shred of self-respect.