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Just going to throw Atlanta out there too, especially if you're in in the IT/tech world. It's close to your Florida friend and an easy flight to NY and Chicago. The city is very green compared to the bigger cities on your list and close-ish to some of the most biodiverse land in this hemisphere. It's a young city, lots to do, great food, and housing is more affordable than even Seattle (for now).
I think I've given you travel advice for Shaky Knees so feel free to reach out if you have questions about moving here. Same goes for anyone else.
ATL is cool, but the traffic is an absolute nightmare.
You're not wrong but it's also pretty easy to manage. If you have a two-salary household there's no reason your commute should be 30 or 40 minutes.
Where Seattle, NY, and Chicago definitely have us beat is the availability of public transit. Marta in Atlanta is very limited compared to each of those cities. We all make it work though and I know a few people here he get around fine without a car (myself included a few years ago).
Anyway, not trying to demand you move here haha. Just throwing it out as an option.
Just going to throw Atlanta out there too, especially if you're in in the IT/tech world. It's close to your Florida friend and an easy flight to NY and Chicago. The city is very green compared to the bigger cities on your list and close-ish to some of the most biodiverse land in this hemisphere. It's a young city, lots to do, great food, and housing is more affordable than even Seattle (for now).
I think I've given you travel advice for Shaky Knees so feel free to reach out if you have questions about moving here. Same goes for anyone else.
ATL is cool, but the traffic is an absolute nightmare.
one of the first thing i said when we were walking through atlanta was 'wow there are a LOT of bike lanes, and they're actually big enough for people to bike in'. and then we saw tenacious d and jack black mid set drops a 'you guys have great bike paths'
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ATL is cool, but the traffic is an absolute nightmare.
You're not wrong but it's also pretty easy to manage. If you have a two-salary household there's no reason your commute should be 30 or 40 minutes.
Where Seattle, NY, and Chicago definitely have us beat is the availability of public transit. Marta in Atlanta is very limited compared to each of those cities. We all make it work though and I know a few people here he get around fine without a car (myself included a few years ago).
Anyway, not trying to demand you move here haha. Just throwing it out as an option.
My friend lived in Austell, bought a nice house for $200k but is far as fuck from everything. I did like the area around the Zoo/park a lot, wonder how expensive houses are around there.
So my fiancée and I ready to move out of Florida. We've narrowed our options down to a few places, but aren't completely sold on any of them.
New York: a ton of our friends live here, and there's a lot of opportunity. But, rent is high and I'm afraid our dogs would suffer. Also not in love with lack of green spaces.
Chicago: fiancée's two sisters live here, so that's a plus. Similar complaints to NY in regard to lack of space and green spaces, not to mention the terrible cold throughout half the year.
Seattle: probably my favorite city on the list, but super far from our family in Florida, expensive real estate and apparently very rainy/grey many months of the year
[/span][/ul][/quote]Have you considered Los Angeles? Climate is amazing as you know. It's a bit spread out, but nowhere is really inaccessible. Depending on the neighborhood, rent is not that expensive either (esp. in Glendale and around). Lots of music festivals and concerts, which I'm sure is a big plus.
austin has bad traffic because the layout is awful, houstons traffic is bad because the city just sprawls so much. lots of people argue about who's is worse, my money is always on us, but i know that we aren't in the same boat as the NY/LA types.
So my fiancée and I ready to move out of Florida. We've narrowed our options down to a few places, but aren't completely sold on any of them.
New York: a ton of our friends live here, and there's a lot of opportunity. But, rent is high and I'm afraid our dogs would suffer. Also not in love with lack of green spaces.
Chicago: fiancée's two sisters live here, so that's a plus. Similar complaints to NY in regard to lack of space and green spaces, not to mention the terrible cold throughout half the year.
Seattle: probably my favorite city on the list, but super far from our family in Florida, expensive real estate and apparently very rainy/grey many months of the year
[/span][/ul][/quote]Have you considered Los Angeles? Climate is amazing as you know. It's a bit spread out, but nowhere is really inaccessible. Depending on the neighborhood, rent is not that expensive either (esp. in Glendale and around). Lots of music festivals and concerts, which I'm sure is a big plus.
Have you considered Los Angeles? Climate is amazing as you know. It's a bit spread out, but nowhere is really inaccessible. Depending on the neighborhood, rent is not that expensive either (esp. in Glendale and around). Lots of music festivals and concerts, which I'm sure is a big plus.
Seems like way too much traffic for us
I really don't think LA is that bad with traffic. It's so overstated. Traffic is way worse here in Baltimore/DC.
Have you considered Los Angeles? Climate is amazing as you know. It's a bit spread out, but nowhere is really inaccessible. Depending on the neighborhood, rent is not that expensive either (esp. in Glendale and around). Lots of music festivals and concerts, which I'm sure is a big plus.
Seems like way too much traffic for us
it's really easy. take the 105 west and exit on culver. when you see the zankou chicken on the left, turn right. take venice and follow it all the way down, then you're in marina del rey. get on san vicente, take the 10, then switch to the 405 north that'll dump you out onto mulholland where you belong.
it's really easy. take the 105 west and exit on culver. when you see the zankou chicken on the left, turn right. take venice and follow it all the way down, then you're in marina del rey. get on san vicente, take the 10, then switch to the 405 north that'll dump you out onto mulholland where you belong.
Have you considered Los Angeles? Climate is amazing as you know. It's a bit spread out, but nowhere is really inaccessible. Depending on the neighborhood, rent is not that expensive either (esp. in Glendale and around). Lots of music festivals and concerts, which I'm sure is a big plus.
Seems like way too much traffic for us
Traffic might be an issue sometimes, but it is really overstated as Kim said. And Coachella traffic is kind of an exemption.
It really depends on choosing the right neighborhood that is close to where you both work.
You're not wrong but it's also pretty easy to manage. If you have a two-salary household there's no reason your commute should be 30 or 40 minutes.
Where Seattle, NY, and Chicago definitely have us beat is the availability of public transit. Marta in Atlanta is very limited compared to each of those cities. We all make it work though and I know a few people here he get around fine without a car (myself included a few years ago).
Anyway, not trying to demand you move here haha. Just throwing it out as an option.
My friend lived in Austell, bought a nice house for $200k but is far as fuck from everything. I did like the area around the Zoo/park a lot, wonder how expensive houses are around there.
I mean, Austell is like 20 miles from Atlanta. It's definitely not considered part of the metro area.
The zoo aka Grant Park/Summerhill is popping right now. It's absolutely one of the fastest rising up and coming areas. Some of my favorite bars and restaurants are all within walking distance of each other around there. A 3/3 starts at like 300K and you can spend a lot more money fast. If you scooch over a bit to West End you can find some stuff that's more affordable.
Both areas would be great to buy in right now because the Beltline has attracted a ton of developers south of I-20 for the first time in a long time. That's actually funny you gravitated to Grant Park because it's so popular right now.
Because (while it's way less satisfying and enjoyable) you don't need to have milk to eat cereal. So if cereal is soup then so are saltine crackers or small pieces of meat.
Because (while it's way less satisfying and enjoyable) you don't need to have milk to eat cereal. So if cereal is soup then so are saltine crackers or small pieces of meat.
From someone who stuffed a dry saltine in my mouth last brunch.. I fall near you in this spectrum..
heading to Phoenix in two weeks just for a short trip to some warm weather. will be there for the super bowl
anything cool downtown to check out?
going to rent a cool car one day and drive to some mountains or a park or something. any recommendations?
how long will you be in town? where are you staying?
Phoenix is in a valley basically surrounded by mountains, so there is some great hiking. There are a couple great hikes right in the city limits that are definitely worth checking out (camelback mountain and Piestawa peak) though they can be pretty strenuous - if you take the echo canyon trailhead it is pretty steep but fun scrambling over rocks. There is another trail that is longer but easier. Piestawa peak is like a giant staircase. They are only a short drive apart and you can do both in a day pretty easily, about 7-10 miles total. They are two different types of rock, so the geology is a bit different between the two, but they are both typical sonoran desesrt plants.
Just south of downtown is the aptly named South Mountain - you can drive up to Dobbins lookout to get some great views of the whole city, but the whole park is full of trails. if you want to hike to the lookout, take the Holbert Trail (it's pretty steep but only like 3 miles or so). Lots of mountain bikers and horseback riders in the park (one of the best downhill trails in the country spans the length of the mountain) so be mindful of that. Here is a decnt map with some of the major trailheads, but I also recomend getting the AllTrails app.
about 2 hours north is Sedona, which is a really, really beautiful area. The drive will take you through some great saguaro forests. Sedona is a bit higher elevation so it will be colder, possibly snow, but it looks pretty different from Phoenix. All the mountains up there are red sandstone. I recommend the Devil's bridge if you want to go on a hike up there. You can also just cruise around on SR179 and see some cool shit wihtout having to hike. There's a little main drag in the town where you can grab some food and eat on a patio overlooking the mountains.
If you like beer and burgers, Arizona Wilderness brewery recently opened up a second location downtown (the original is out in the 'burbs by me). It was voted world's best new brewery when it opened and has some great beer and all locally sourced beef/produce etc. Food is all excellent and they have a constantly updated beer menu based on what ingredients are available. Not many option for vegetarians though, if you're into that.
Pizzeria bianco is also downtown, and it has been voted best pizza in the Us multiple times, and the owner is the first pizza guy to win a James Beard award. Wait times can be long but they have a cocktail lounge next door while you wait. Ziggy's and Stardust is a pizza place/pinball bar with a david bowie theme and light up dance floor that opened up near one of our downtown music venues.
La santisima is my vote for best mexican food - great salsa bar and excellent tacos. Though there are taco shops and stuff everywhere and the shitty ones don't stick around long. Carolina's is also pretty great, and you can buy their house-made tortillas to take home.
Roosevelt Row is a an area along Roosevelt street in downtown Phx that has a lot of interesting bars, art galleries, restaurants, and shops and stuff. Good way to spend a couple hours walking around, bar hopping and chekcing out some art. They have been really working to revitalize downtown from just being a business/financial districty that goes dead outside of 9-5. Some favorites in that area are ReBar, Cobra Arcade Bar, Mother Bunch Brewing, AZ Wilderness Brewing, Lost Leaf (beer garden/art gallery).
Phoenix is pretty spread out, and the light rail is...ok. so if you know where you are staying I can give more suggestions about cool stuff to do in that area. You could really just hike everyday and not even scratch the surface of available trails just in phoenix metro area. But there are some cool museums as well (the science center, heard museum (native american history/art), the biltmore hotel (fancy hotel with a huge garden area) desert botanical gardens (lots of diverse, labelled AZ flora). it's kinda far north from downtown, but the musical instrument museum is really cool as well. interactive place that traces the history of instruments throughout the world and has lots of hands-on stuff you can play with. They also have concerts occasionally, so you can check the schedule for when you are in town.
heading to Phoenix in two weeks just for a short trip to some warm weather. will be there for the super bowl
anything cool downtown to check out?
going to rent a cool car one day and drive to some mountains or a park or something. any recommendations?
how long will you be in town? where are you staying?
Phoenix is in a valley basically surrounded by mountains, so there is some great hiking. There are a couple great hikes right in the city limits that are definitely worth checking out (camelback mountain and Piestawa peak) though they can be pretty strenuous - if you take the echo canyon trailhead it is pretty steep but fun scrambling over rocks. There is another trail that is longer but easier. Piestawa peak is like a giant staircase. They are only a short drive apart and you can do both in a day pretty easily, about 7-10 miles total. They are two different types of rock, so the geology is a bit different between the two, but they are both typical sonoran desesrt plants.
Just south of downtown is the aptly named South Mountain - you can drive up to Dobbins lookout to get some great views of the whole city, but the whole park is full of trails. if you want to hike to the lookout, take the Holbert Trail (it's pretty steep but only like 3 miles or so). Lots of mountain bikers and horseback riders in the park (one of the best downhill trails in the country spans the length of the mountain) so be mindful of that. Here is a decnt map with some of the major trailheads, but I also recomend getting the AllTrails app.
about 2 hours north is Sedona, which is a really, really beautiful area. The drive will take you through some great saguaro forests. Sedona is a bit higher elevation so it will be colder, possibly snow, but it looks pretty different from Phoenix. All the mountains up there are red sandstone. I recommend the Devil's bridge if you want to go on a hike up there. You can also just cruise around on SR179 and see some cool shit wihtout having to hike. There's a little main drag in the town where you can grab some food and eat on a patio overlooking the mountains.
If you like beer and burgers, Arizona Wilderness brewery recently opened up a second location downtown (the original is out in the 'burbs by me). It was voted world's best new brewery when it opened and has some great beer and all locally sourced beef/produce etc. Food is all excellent and they have a constantly updated beer menu based on what ingredients are available. Not many option for vegetarians though, if you're into that.
Pizzeria bianco is also downtown, and it has been voted best pizza in the Us multiple times, and the owner is the first pizza guy to win a James Beard award. Wait times can be long but they have a cocktail lounge next door while you wait. Ziggy's and Stardust is a pizza place/pinball bar with a david bowie theme and light up dance floor that opened up near one of our downtown music venues.
La santisima is my vote for best mexican food - great salsa bar and excellent tacos. Though there are taco shops and stuff everywhere and the shitty ones don't stick around long. Carolina's is also pretty great, and you can buy their house-made tortillas to take home.
Roosevelt Row is a an area along Roosevelt street in downtown Phx that has a lot of interesting bars, art galleries, restaurants, and shops and stuff. Good way to spend a couple hours walking around, bar hopping and chekcing out some art. They have been really working to revitalize downtown from just being a business/financial districty that goes dead outside of 9-5. Some favorites in that area are ReBar, Cobra Arcade Bar, Mother Bunch Brewing, AZ Wilderness Brewing, Lost Leaf (beer garden/art gallery).
Phoenix is pretty spread out, and the light rail is...ok. so if you know where you are staying I can give more suggestions about cool stuff to do in that area. You could really just hike everyday and not even scratch the surface of available trails just in phoenix metro area. But there are some cool museums as well (the science center, heard museum (native american history/art), the biltmore hotel (fancy hotel with a huge garden area) desert botanical gardens (lots of diverse, labelled AZ flora). it's kinda far north from downtown, but the musical instrument museum is really cool as well. interactive place that traces the history of instruments throughout the world and has lots of hands-on stuff you can play with. They also have concerts occasionally, so you can check the schedule for when you are in town.
thanks for all that! we're flying in sat feb 1 - wed feb 5. we'll be looking for a place to watch the superbowl.
i can't say we're huge hiking people but we really like the views o the mountains. might rent a cool car from turo one day to make a drive into the mountains, so the sedona route seems up our alley. def forwarding all this info to the fiance!