I guess The Stones are okay for the "lower your expectations" headliner. I saw them about 13 years ago and it wasn't a very good show. Not awful but not great either.
Just because you had a mediocre time at a Rolling Stones show 13 years ago doesn't mean they're a lackluster headliner. The Rolling Stones are still The Rolling Stones. They may not be what they once were, but the fact of who they are doesn't change.
It just depends on what your definition of a good time at a show is... and yes, I agree, they are still The Rolling Stones. I'm not disputing that. Some people will probably really enjoy the show.
but to go from him in to a hip-hop headliner makes no sense. never say never though. i'm only ruling him out for that reason. i think someone across the pond would be harder to negotiate with so that's why i went with Muse. they stay within the realm of realism and are far enough way to take extra time to deal with. it could literally be a bunch of bands though i suppose and NY is definitely in the mix.
I don't think Superfly thinks like that. For example, last year they went from The National > Michael Franti, The Black Keys > Kid Cudi/B.o.B., The Avett Brothers > Weezer, Ween > Phoenix.
Or more famously, Pearl Jam > Kanye West in 08
Sometimes you just slot acts when you can and it doesn't make sense in terms of the crowd each act draws. That's why you counter program and provide a variety of acts across a festival.
I guess my main issue is that if difficulty of booking is a factor as to why you think it might be the Stones over Neil Young, I'm just telling you Neil Young is more notorious for being a total flake than the Stones are.
i was thinking more along the lines of JUST headliners. the way they lead in to headliners. with somewhat similar headliners. BUT, as for PJ -> Kanye, touche. touche.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Feb 4, 2011 15:59:57 GMT -5
also no way are The Roots, with or without John Legend the big name hip hop act on Saturday. last time they played Roo 3 years ago they were billed 18th and with John Legend theyre billed 17th at Jazz Fest, its not like theyve blown up since 2007... if theyre back at Roo again this year they're in the 10-20 range again
Nothing and no one gets love on these boards, unfortunately. Lots of haters, I'm sure you'll come to notice. However, I'm fine with Panic. They're great live. WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Kayne, whom everyone is wanting back for some reason...obviously they missed his boring ass 2008 show.
why was it boring?
Just nothing special-very mediocre, especially after all the hype about his great light/glow stick show (he had NO lights, glow sticks, etc.). He was not engaging with the crowd AT ALL (didn't say "Hey bonnaroo" "goodnight" nothing...after being 3 hours late)...sounded okay but just not much energy. I had just walked over from Ghostland Observatory, which was arguably the best show of the weekend and the energy in that tent could have made the Heaves open up.
The question is why is there a conflict.. which bands could propose a conflict.. The Stones is one but unlikely but that could be the very reason that it could be them.. it could be some type of reunion show that one of the members backed out on and they are trying to convince.. it could be an act dropped at the last minute and a scrabble to get someone which would support the 'dont get your hopes up' bc it is hard to get a real big name last minute.. the truth is no one know right now.. as for hip hop headliner, who cares.. i am perfectly find with the acts that play the tents.. they are usually better anyway
This year is going to be like the past 4 years - a lot of hype only proves one thing: you can't make everybody happy.
I don't think the headliners are "over-the-top," but I'm not disappointed either. Are you all getting Daft Punk, Radiohead, Neil Young, Arcade Fire, Furthur, My Morning Jacket, Prince, and David Bowie?
But bear in mind (something I've slowly come to terms with) - the people behind this festival know what we want, and they know what would make a great festival. They certainly tried to book the likes of Daft Punk/Radiohead/The Beatles, but it isn't always feasible. You can't just make a band play your festival; and for most of these guys, more money isn't going to make a difference.
One headliner might come of something as a surprise. I don't keep up on every page of this board anymore, so I can't say exactly what has or hasn't been discussed. As badly as I want to tell you we are getting a Talking Heads reunion, there just isn't a surprise of that capacity in the deck.