Vick is gonna plead

good. cocky emmer effer. hope his career is OVER

i dunno. i dont like vick. and i love dogs. but it seems that hes being singled out for being rich and famous. and im sure some would say black. dog fighting goes on in every city in america and is largely overlooked. i lived in lorain, a crappy ghetto suburb of cleveland for 3 weeks and it was a common thing to do. i never participated or watched in any way. i think its disgusting. but it was obvious to anyone in the area that it was happening regularly. the police did it too. granted the police in lorain are all puerto rican gang bangers. its truly a different world in true ghettos. anyhow i just think its crappy that this guy has his whole life destroyed for something that would be ignored or result in probation for the average gang banger doing it. or possibly its crappy that all the normal people doing it arent put in jail too. its gotta be one or the other imo. and its likely that even after he serves his time he may not ever work in the nfl again. once you pay your debt to society by servin your time arent you entitled to work again? and its because a bunch of people with too much time will wage protests if he is taken back by an nfl team. arent there greater things to be worried about?? war, disease, government corrupton, etc.. or even the rampant dog fighting that is going on in every city. instead we crucify one guy and think weve done something positive to make the world a better place. its crazy. oj cut the heads of of 2 people and hes playing golf. michael vick is gonna lose his job, his endorsements, and probably a year or more of his freedom. im not saying that he dosent deserve to do his time and that 1 year isnt apporpriate punishment. just that its different rules for different people. it sad that so many people focus so much attention on something like this when it happens every day, everywhere but because hes famous they crucify him. and what about innocent until proven guilty. this guy has been fucked since the first report hit. could he even get a fair trial anymore? i mean come on there have been friggin demonstrations on the streets about this. and yet we cant get a big enough protest to this illegal war that is killing human beings to make any type of a difference. the priorities of americans never ceases to amaze me. and again im not sticking up for vick. lord knows he has enough money. and i dont like him or the falcons so have at it i guess.

one thing i know for sure. ITS NOT WORLD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! quit talking about it cnn and fox. find something important to cover!!! damn i hate our media and what passes for world news. i think other countries laugh at us for what is considered world news over here. britneys hair and lindsays drugs and vicks dogs, and 6 trapped miners. 14 miners die everyday in china. seriously. 14 a day. this stuff is not world news damnit!!!!!

anyhow rant off. and again. im not supporting vick. and i despise dog fighting. just saying our legal system should have consistent penalties for all who commit a crime. and that the american people should find some more important things to be upset about and protest in the streets.

and for the record i think id rather be a dog thats well taken care of (for the most part, dogs have to be healthy to be fighters) that was used for fighting then a dog born into a disgusting puppy mill and shipped from tiny cage to tiny cage at pet stores. why dont we protest that and accost people who buy puppy mill dogs and support this horrible industry while thousands of homeless animals are put down at shelters? not to mention puppy mill dogs are nuts. they have horrible bloodlines and breeding practices. anyone who buys a dog at a pet store is doing way more damage then vick. get a dog from the shelter. or go to a local breeder and get a quality, non abused dog at half the price of some petstore puppy mill dog and your not supporting that disgusting industry.

ok now rant off. that first one was a false off

and btw im a huge dog lover. i have had dogs my whole life. i cureently have a 110 pound black lab that would lose a fight to the chipmunk that lives in my wood pile. i think anyone who fights dogs has some serious issues with violence and should be stopped. i just dont think one dude should be singled out.

if vick was fighting chickens would there be an uproar?
its kinda like enivronmentalists getting all crazy about dolphin safe tuna and mean while the tuna is looking around like wtf? is a tuna not an animal, a life worth saving. its just not as cute so fuck 'em.

i live in the boonies and there are all sorts of atrocities towards animals up here. the news is filled with stories of starved horses. or the lady with 300 cats and dogs and 9 inches of poo everywhere. and of course those nasty puppy mills. there are just so many things going on that all this attention on vick seems unwarranted. but i realize how our silly society works.

i also had a similar experience at a pound. just felt so bad that i couldnt take all of them. for like 5 years as a child i swore i would never drive because i always cried about dead animals on the side of the road. however i changed my tune around 15.

if they are gonna nail vicks ass to the wall then i hope its a catalyst to crack down on all who do it and nail their asses too. lets match penalties to crimes not punishment matched to a persons position in society or their likability. i think its wrong when oj and other famous or powerful people get away with shit but its equally upsetting when it goes the other way and someone is crucified in the media for doing something that thousands of people do everyday and suffer no consequences at all or a much lighter penalty then what vick is facing.

I hope the whole thing just brings more exposure to the issue.

But I also agree that there are MUCH more important things the media could be focusing on.

I think that the addition of gambling cahrges are what persuaded him to plead out.
It's F*CKED-UP, but that seems to carry heftier charges.

You're totally right.
The laws SHOULD apply equally to everyone but, they don't.
Being poor makes you easier to arrest.
Being famous makes you easier to prosecute.
It's not right but, it's life.
A person in Vick's place should've had enough sense and survival instinct to know better.
The fact that he didn't (or just thought he was untouchable) just makes me less sympathetic.

Without a doubt, all dog lovers are being swayed...but if it's true, shouldn't they/we be?
When police served the intial warrant on the house (looking for his cousin, not him) they found 76 dogs in cages (dozens showing profound injuries), 3 dog fighting pins (painted balck and hidden in the surrounding woods) and multiple mass graves.
Vick was/is either a monster or he allowed monstrous things to take place at his home.
Either way, he needs to be held accountable!

wow. ok i was underinformed for sure. i always flip[ the channel when it comes on. i had no idea that it was that large of a thing. so i guess i should take back some of what i said. thats not anywhere near the same thing as people in the ghetto with a couple of pits. so i guess he should be fucked for life. in fact id have to completely argue the other way that abusing that many animals and surely operating an illegal gambling ring should result in a much harsher sentence. i should have known the rich and famous get special treatment not mis-treatment. im sure that if they busted that type of opperation in the ghetto there would be no plea bargaining out of the gambling ring charges. i still hope that this helps put a stop to the small time dogfighting that is overlooked in every major city.

my bad. i should have checked the facts before running my mouth.

lol, that actually made me laugh water into my nose. i havent done that in a long time. thankyou!!! ;D

actually - there might be if more was publicised about what happens during cock fights - they are illegal in Mississippi.

^^^I can tell you that if that happens - I will not be supporting NFL at all - no way - no how - no nothing (not that I really watch or support all that much anyway)

i seee where stephan marbury form the new york knicks has come out in support of vick and has called dogfighting a sport. what a moron. in sports fighters dont fight to the death. and if you lose or arent built for fighting your not electrocuted, suffocated, or shot. i am really quite horrified at some of the stories about vick. elecrocution of dogs? thats sick. that even goes beyond putting an injured dog down. thats some type of psychopath thing going on.

i finally decided to watch a news report on this and some good points were made. you dont get media coverage, street demonstrations, and public outcry over child sex predators as this does. plenty of professional atheletes have had incidents of beating their wives. where is the outcry over that? why arent these people driven out of the nfl? if james brown had fought dogs would he be worshipped as a legend? but since he only beat women its ok. our society is so damn silly its digusting. but vick is a disgusting human being and i think it sucks that hes not facing 10+ years for his offenses as you or i would if we tortured and killed dogs and participated in an illegal gambling ring. and i think he should be forced to get some pshyciatric(sp?) help too cause hes obvioulsy got some issues with violence. thast seriously some psychpopathic nuts.

i also think its humorous that nearly everyone who calls in or paticipates in these protests are usually middle aged/older women who have probably never spent a penny on anything nfl. and dont watch nfl games. ouch! thats gonna hurt the nfl.

well i hate to say it because im always saying it. but this is a law enforcement issue. dog fighting could be stopped but its not a priority. cops dont enforce these laws because it costs money to investigate and jail dog fighters. they make money by siezing property in this crazy war on drugs. if they would just leave harmless people alone and spend their time enforcing our laws against dangerous and violent people then maybe violent psychopaths involved in dog fighting would be stopped. maybe child predators would be stopped. maybe illegal immigrants wouldnt be draining our communities funds. etc... but they just dont care about anything that dosent make money for them to pay their salaries. so that means countless man hours wasted on traffic stops and illegal searches. i love how we have these rights as americans. but only until a dog that can be trained to do anything and has the esitmated intelligence of a 4 year old says that your rights no longer apply. its so fucking crazy. why dont we all fight against cops enslaving dogs to do their dirty work and doing the most dangerous parts of their jobs for them? once again is that dog a willing and knowing participant when he goes in after a violent criminal with a gun or a knife or is he just playing a game that hes played for food or his toy a thousand times before. is subjecting a dog to that kind of danger any better then the dangers of fighting? those dogs dont know that they are violating the constitutional rights of americans when they do what they are trained to do. oh well im not goona go off on my police rant again. but seriously why dont we pressure our police to stop things like this in every major city in the country? is it only important if a celebrity does it? not that it would matter anyhow. why is it ok for them to endanger dogs so they dont have to do their jobs? police everywhere a crooked bastards in my estimation, but in the ghetto its insane what passes for police officers. they are hardcore gangbangers doing all sorts of criminal shit. i dont see ghetto cops giving two sh!ts about dogfighting. in fact if you call the police about dog fighting in , for lack of a better word, ghetto area they wont even take a report. they will tell you to call animal control and they may or may not check it out in the next few months.

ya know - I don't even really have the time to get into a whole defense of your entire post on this - suffice it to say that I know in Mississippi - law enforcement is doing what they can to stop the dog fighting - these people are criminals - they think like a criminal and act like criminals - there are also lots of legal mubo jumbo that the officers have to go through just to obtain a fucking search warrent to go on someone's property to investigate if there are fighting dogs there.

as for the animal control officers - back up a littlle dude - don't generalize and try to act like they are all the same - they are NOT - believe me I KNOW this - Boz goes down in some of the most ghetto areas you have ever seen when he gets a call out - he does what he does because of his love for animals - not because he gets paid well to do it - but he does not differentiate between calls based on what area of town they come from.

Until you have actually been in their shoes or can show me some proof (statistics - reports, etc.) that law enforcement is too busy busting people for minor pot and/or drug charges to fight the dog fighting business - then you need to think before you post a tirade against them - they work for very little pay - get shot at on a regular basis - are treated like shit - but if your house gets broken into - your car is stolen - you are mugged - or some member of your family is in trouble - the police are the first people that are called - yet you do nothing but dog them out and bitch and complain about them every chance you get.

I like reading most of your posts - alot of them are very enlightening but I am really tired of having you dog out the police on a constant and continual basis.

I read on another chat board that Vick is a second rate quarterback, but in prison he'll be a first rate tight end :-)