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Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Oct 15, 2019 22:14:55 GMT -5
Omar and Tlaib are endorsing Bernie too. Which was pretty much a given.
Edit: Also, fuck CNN but especially for that last question. I don't give the first fuck about being friendly to the GOP. Only one side plays this "I can work with both sides" horseshit. There is no negotiating with the death cult that is the GOP establishment. Everyone should know this by now. This is what they spend their time on instead of climate change?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 15, 2019 22:21:13 GMT -5
Bernie or Warren. I prefer Bernie but if either can break through I'll be happier than if Biden or others are the nominee.
Basically, when I hear AOC, Omar, Tlaib, etc. talk about things we really should be focusing on I agree and don't understand WHY anyone would be against what they are pushing for. Obviously there's going to be individual issues that they feel strongly about that myself or others may not agree with but from the general standpoint of where they want the country to go I align more with them than many other voices in politics.
I swear if the next debate doesn't have any climate change segments I want Booker to do another one of his pivots, then fall on the sword and go full on into it. He's already brought up factory farms and his veganism, why not just go all out next time if his poll numbers don't move after this debate?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 15, 2019 22:45:39 GMT -5
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised big O'Reilly makes his way back to Fox News in the next five years. Despite his reason for being let go I think they'd welcome him back if they could market it right. He's shit.
Lmfaoooo "Gee I wonder what Amy fucking Klobuchar has to say about this!"
There will be some really big dog whistles coming out of #resistance Twitter and the media in the next couple days. Lots of folks about to show their true colors.
Lmfaoooo "Gee I wonder what Amy fucking Klobuchar has to say about this!"
There will be some really big dog whistles coming out of #resistance Twitter and the media in the next couple days. Lots of folks about to show their true colors.
There will be some really big dog whistles coming out of #resistance Twitter and the media in the next couple days. Lots of folks about to show their true colors.
Started to get the feeling she might come out early for him after that meeting in Vermont right before his heart attack.
Kinda shocked she's doing it this soon. Was thinking she'd wait to closer to the NY primary... if she took sides at all.
I'm not surprised by any of the three endorsements he got. Felt they were pretty much givens. AOC strikes me as someone who would voice a preference. How much support she shows during the general would be a whole different story if a centrist gets nominated. Not sure if she would be directly Fuck Biden, but I would have a hard time seeing her holding a rally for him in her district.
P.S. Have I covered how Dave Weigel tweets are distracting for me because Weigel's is a chain of convenience stores around Knoxville and Dave Weigel being the black sheep of the family who obsesses about politics instead of gas stations?
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 16, 2019 7:11:07 GMT -5
As someone who does not watch debates, it is striking to read different summaries of them the day after. If I did not know better, I would swear there were actually multiple debates last night that were broadcast randomly to different TVs. A common theme is that there are just too many damn people on the stage. Is it time to ramp up the criteria to pare it down to 6-8 candidates or will there still be outcries of the DNC trying to limit the voices of the party? The former is the right answer, but I figured I would ask.
Post by Jake Jortles on Oct 16, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
Last night was so rewarding as an Andrew Yang fan. I don't expect him to win the nomination, and I don't even know if he will ever break double digit polling at any point in this process. However, that debate solidified that he will change our political conversation forever... similar to the way Bernie did in 2016.
We witnessed a greater than 10 minute segment in the top half of the debate specifically addressing the rise of automation and it's impact on job loss. Julian Castro said he would be interested in piloting a UBI program. Tulsi came out in full support of it. Pete and De Blasio have began coming up with half-hearted automation solutions in the last couple months and tried to pretend that their focus on the issue wasn't inspired by Yang when it clearly was in both cases. Joe Biden later in the night stated that the 4th Industrial Revolution, a phrase he got directly from Yang, was a major problem that we needed to get in front of.
Even though many have taken his campaign for a joke, a random man identified a problem that he was passionate about and put a national spotlight on it that did not exist prior to his campaign. That is fucking awesome.
So not only did he succeed in getting people thinking about this issue more clearly - he got to draw a distinction between himself and Bernie and Warren a bit on their solutions to the problem. To me, he was able to show how obviously better UBI is than a Federal Jobs Guarantee and he was able to effectively combat Warren's assertion that our trade policies are more culpable than automation for the loss of jobs.
Warren was asked about a quote she had where she basically said automation wasn't an issue and that trade was in fact most responsible for the job loss, which isn't true according to most studies I've seen and she was fact checked and corrected on this by a few outlets after the debate. Yang pretty easily painted the picture for the audience of Amazon closing stores, manufacturing companies, food service, retail etc using automation to cut labor costs. Then it went back to Warren and she randomly started talking about social security, then said "I'd like to see the data on that." Basically showing that her original comment about trade vs automation was not backed up with data in the first place. Although it wasn't very audible, you could make out Yang responding to her saying, "I have the data." Loved that. Yang later said he spoke to Warren during a break and she said she was willing to look at that data with him, which is fantastic. Again, his biggest purpose in life right now is to get ahead of this problem. He's said if he doesn't win, he would still be happy if the other candidates started sounding more and more like him on this topic. That would be a win.
Before that, Yang took on Bernie's idea of a Federal Jobs guarantee being the best solution to the problem of automation and job loss. This is such an easy argument for Yang to make. I think he did, and regularly does, an ok job of it, but I think he could do much better. Yang correctly pointed out that many people do not want to work for the federal government, and that a vision of most of our citizens down the line working in government jobs that they may or may not enjoy is not a pretty one. A federal jobs guarantee does nothing to recognize the currently unrecognized work of caregivers, mothers, volunteers etc that UBI would.
I would probably add in a different flavor to that challenge to Bernie if I were Yang. I would say something like, "What does a FJG do to help an artist? What does it do to help an entrepreneur or someone with a passion project? Or what does it do for anyone that just actually enjoys the current work they do but are struggling to make ends meet based on their wages? As automation sucks up a ton of jobs in the next 2-3 decades, we need to create a vision for America where people have more freedom to find their individual purpose in this world. Giving people a $12k security blanket / foundation to build off of, gives people more options. It gives people the ability to take more risks towards achieving their personal dreams. A Federal Jobs Guarantee paints an exactly opposite picture where large numbers of people are working shittty jobs for the federal government that they may or may not enjoy."
Bernie was considering UBI at the end of 2017. I don't think that some level of a FJG needs to be mutually exclusive with UBI. I think Bernie will come around to fully supporting UBI sooner rather than later.
Booker later pointed out that Yang isn't championing a minimum wage increase to $15. Yang didn't have the opportunity to respond to that, but I don't think he even needed to. I think anyone should pretty easily understand that $1k a month is an effective $6 per hour non-taxed raise for everyone from the Government and doesn't result in small businesses on the margins having to cut hours or even reduce staff count overall because they are taking on that raise.
Finally, I was really happy to see Yang just full-on support decriminalization of opiates. This is another area where Bernie is lagging behind Yang. Yang actually recommended on the debate stage that we have safe injection sites in this country. Amazing. And Beto was right there with him which was unexpected and cool.
I probably could have just sent this in a text to @radiatebased , but whatever. I'm very happy with last night. Even outside of Yang I think this debate was the most substantive and interesting. Tulsi flopped, unfortunately. Bernie looked great. Although I don't like Pete, I enjoyed hearing him respond to Bernie's admission that taxes will go up to help pay for M4A by saying "at least that's a real answer even if it isn't the one I agree with." Warren still looks so fake and so... politiciany in a bad way... on that topic next to Bernie imo.