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Then answer me this. Why? Was it not in Freddy's best interest to keep Naz in jail prison?
Freddy's motivations are unclear. No doubt he enjoyed having Naz in prison with him, but he also took steps to help him in court, like trying to give him the appropriate clothes to wear in court, that kind of stuff. So he did try to help him.
On the other hand, if Freddy knew the trial wasn't going Naz's way (which Naz no doubt shared with him after the DA eviscerated him on the stand), a mistrial would certainly give Naz another chance at freedom. But it also guarantees that Naz will remain in prison for at least a while longer, as they go through a whole new trial. So no matter what his motivation, whether it be to get Naz free or keep Naz in prison, in the short term a mistrial keeps Naz in prison.
Maybe it's just because I love Michael K. Williams, but I think ultimately Freddy had Naz's best interest at heart. He selfishly enjoyed his company, sure, and used him in a dangerous way to sneak heroin into the prison, but only so he could split that heroin with Naz and they could get wasted together and talk. He helped Naz get used to the idea of prison, so that if he did ultimately get convicted (which, lets face it, seems like it was the foregone conclusion) he wouldn't spiral into a depression. But his other actions indicate to me that he did want Naz to have the best chance possible to get his freedom.
Again, maybe I'm being naive, but that is the way I see it.
I think you pretty much answered it for me. I definitely think he wanted to help him. Like he said, he knew Nazwas innocent and he cared about him.
My wife had a completely different reaction to what Freddy saw on the tape. She thought it was of the lawyer buying the drugs for Naz. She thought Freddy was going to be upset that he didn't share it. That turned out not to be the case. I was still just bracing myself the entire time when he was on the way out of the prison. I was expecting him to be killed or something else terrible to happen. Then when he looked in Freddy's cell, I expected him to be dead from an overdose. I was expecting it all to end a lot worse than it did.
Freddy's motivations are unclear. No doubt he enjoyed having Naz in prison with him, but he also took steps to help him in court, like trying to give him the appropriate clothes to wear in court, that kind of stuff. So he did try to help him.
On the other hand, if Freddy knew the trial wasn't going Naz's way (which Naz no doubt shared with him after the DA eviscerated him on the stand), a mistrial would certainly give Naz another chance at freedom. But it also guarantees that Naz will remain in prison for at least a while longer, as they go through a whole new trial. So no matter what his motivation, whether it be to get Naz free or keep Naz in prison, in the short term a mistrial keeps Naz in prison.
Maybe it's just because I love Michael K. Williams, but I think ultimately Freddy had Naz's best interest at heart. He selfishly enjoyed his company, sure, and used him in a dangerous way to sneak heroin into the prison, but only so he could split that heroin with Naz and they could get wasted together and talk. He helped Naz get used to the idea of prison, so that if he did ultimately get convicted (which, lets face it, seems like it was the foregone conclusion) he wouldn't spiral into a depression. But his other actions indicate to me that he did want Naz to have the best chance possible to get his freedom.
Again, maybe I'm being naive, but that is the way I see it.
I think you pretty much answered it for me. I definitely think he wanted to help him. Like he said, he knew Nazwas innocent and he cared about him.
My wife had a completely different reaction to what Freddy saw on the tape. She thought it was of the lawyer buying the drugs for Naz. She thought Freddy was going to be upset that he didn't share it. That turned out not to be the case. I was still just bracing myself the entire time when he was on the way out of the prison. I was expecting him to be killed or something else terrible to happen. Then when he looked in Freddy's cell, I expected him to be dead from an overdose. I was expecting it all to end a lot worse than it did.
I initially thought that was the case as well at first, that Naz didn't share the heroin with Freddy, but then they were getting high together in the next scene, and we know they were out of dope before that. Scared me for a minute though.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 30, 2016 12:12:00 GMT -5
Yea, I believe the show wanted to be vague/ambiguous about Freddy's motivations early on and throughout most episodes but in this final one he gives that speech that makes me think he was on Naz's side the whole time. The "I took you under my wing because you smelled of innocence" talk and the book as a gift/memento made me believe he did want Naz to secure his freedom.
Anyone else get a kick out of seeing Paul Sparks as the stepdad? I haven't seen him in anything except Boardwalk, so I only knew him as Mickey Doyle with that funny voice. Dude can act.
Off topic, but I hope all of you are following Vice Principals as well. Completely different show of course but outstanding.
Anyone else get a kick out of seeing Paul Sparks as the stepdad? I haven't seen him in anything except Boardwalk, so I only knew him as Mickey Doyle with that funny voice. Dude can act.
Off topic, but I hope all of you are following Vice Principals as well. Completely different show of course but outstanding.
He's in House of Cards, too, but I haven't gotten around to that yet. I was absolutely shocked to find out that it was the same actor. Holy shit Mickey Doyle seems so different.
And yes.....Vice Principals is the best. It's Eastbound & Down + Boyd Crowder and I love it.
I do not agree with you who believe that Freddie was looking out for Naz. For every novel and DVD there was Zaz drug smuggling, being introduced to crack cocaine, giving tattoos on the knuckle that say "SIN" & "BAD", another tattoo on the jury side of his neck at the most important part of the trial, and being an accomplice in a prison murder. Perhaps Freddie was just high on crack cocaine and a crazy person even when not high. We don't have crack cocaine over here because Finland is the best country in the world but I imagine that being high on crack cocaine would make you say stupid things like calling someone an unicorn.
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You may not have crack cocaine in Finland, but I'm pretty sure you have Heroin, and that was what they were using.
Great show. I'm slightly annoyed by the talk of "series finale" and "limited series" being followed up by "rumors/talks of Season 2".
If they go another round I would hope it would be a separate story/character/crime and not a continuation. Apparently the second season of the original was about a domestic dispute couple where the woman kills her husband. We'll see if they choose to go that route.
Great series/season and finale. Riz Ahmed and John Turturro were fantastic but I also loved the guy who played Detective Box, the prosecuting attorney, and Freddy (OMAR COMIN' Y'ALL!).
The closing argument part was awesome. Great work from all.
I had no idea the original even had a second season. But if Price and Zaillian both return I'd be down. I agree that they should go the anthology route and bring in new cast and characters, with very thin ties to the original. They should go the Fargo route and not the True Detective route though (meaning keep the original setting, and don't try to move it to another place that you clearly don't know anything about).
I loved this show so much. I was worried when we first started watching it that it wouldn't be something that I could watch for various reasons, but I am a HUGE John Turrero fan and the acting/plot/everything was just too good. I wish I would have found this thread earlier to participate in the conversation because I watched this at the same time y'all were discussing it.
Finished it last night. Really enjoyed it aside from how John ended up as the main lawyer. John Turturro nailed that whole show. It may have been the presence of Michael Kenneth Williams and JD Williams, but I felt the show had a strong kinship with The Wire.