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I wish it was Pitt. Watching ncbst3 lose her mind talking shit would be great.
I would never let that one go. It would be glorious.
I was going to say its tough to repeat an undefeated season with a powerhouse like Pitt comin into town, but 99.4% of the people in this thread wouldve sensed the sarcasm and then Sang would've put together a completely unreasonable, illogical list of associations between the two universities that makes Clemson seem like the greatest team in college football history. So I didnt.
I wish it was Pitt. Watching ncbst3 lose her mind talking shit would be great.
I would never let that one go. It would be glorious.
I was going to say its tough to repeat an undefeated season with a powerhouse like Pitt comin into town, but 99.4% of the people in this thread wouldve sensed the sarcasm and then Sang would've put together a completely unreasonable, illogical list of associations between the two universities that makes Clemson seem like the greatest team in college football history. So I didnt.
I will be shocked if we lose the battle of Bristol.
C'mon man!
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
I will be shocked if we lose the battle of Bristol.
C'mon man!
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
What will the spread be? Tennessee -5?
Shocked. VT is coming off a 6-6 regular season. Tennessee is coming off an 8-4 season against a tougher schedule. Two of their losses involved them playing playoff teams (including the eventual NC winner) deep into the fourth quarter. In regards to talent, the current rankings for the incoming freshman class have Tennessee at 13 and VT at 45. Fuente is going to do well at Tech, but it's not going to be an immediate turnaround.
I will be shocked if we lose the battle of Bristol.
C'mon man!
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
What will the spread be? Tennessee -5?
I dont care about our records the past three uears, weve been fielding babies. Literally one of the youngest teams the past few years. We finally have stability and depth, retained two key defensive starters, and brought in a blue chip DC (arguably DC folly lead to our two losses to playoff teams). We just picked up one ofthe top Juco DE. We ended this season by absolutely dismantling a 10-2 northwestern team designed to stop the run by running all over them. We have not only the talent, but enough returning starters to be a good team next year from the get-go. You guys have a brand new head coach (the first in decades) with only a game or two to install his scheme, with the personnel he has. I think fuente is a great coach,but we have the talent advantage on Offense, Defense, and special teams. Neutral site isn't a worry, I'd be more afraid ging into Lane.
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
What will the spread be? Tennessee -5?
I dont care about our records the past three uears, weve been fielding babies. Literally one of the youngest teams the past few years. We finally have stability and depth, retained two key defensive starters, and brought in a blue chip DC (arguably DC folly lead to our two losses to playoff teams). We just picked up one ofthe top Juco DE. We ended this season by absolutely dismantling a 10-2 northwestern team designed to stop the run by running all over them. We have not only the talent, but enough returning starters to be a good team next year from the get-go. You guys have a brand new head coach (the first in decades) with only a game or two to install his scheme, with the personnel he has. I think fuente is a great coach,but we have the talent advantage on Offense, Defense, and special teams. Neutral site isn't a worry, I'd be more afraid ging into Lane.
Kongbo is the #1 JUCO prospect. Not just one of the top JUCO DEs.
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
What will the spread be? Tennessee -5?
I dont care about our records the past three uears, weve been fielding babies. Literally one of the youngest teams the past few years. We finally have stability and depth, retained two key defensive starters, and brought in a blue chip DC (arguably DC folly lead to our two losses to playoff teams). We just picked up one ofthe top Juco DE. We ended this season by absolutely dismantling a 10-2 northwestern team designed to stop the run by running all over them. We have not only the talent, but enough returning starters to be a good team next year from the get-go. You guys have a brand new head coach (the first in decades) with only a game or two to install his scheme, with the personnel he has. I think fuente is a great coach,but we have the talent advantage on Offense, Defense, and special teams. Neutral site isn't a worry, I'd be more afraid ging into Lane.
This sounds just like me a few years ago and I always got shit for it. I knew we were going to be good and I was right. Now everyone knows it and I don't say much and I still get shit for it. By the way, you're right. Tenn is definitely on the way back to the top and may be there as soon as this year.
Shocked. VT is coming off a 6-6 regular season. Tennessee is coming off an 8-4 season against a tougher schedule. Two of their losses involved them playing playoff teams (including the eventual NC winner) deep into the fourth quarter. In regards to talent, the current rankings for the incoming freshman class have Tennessee at 13 and VT at 45. Fuente is going to do well at Tech, but it's not going to be an immediate turnaround.
Not to mention VT will be breaking in a new coach and system (except on defense). Don't get me wrong, VT will be a tough opponent. Fuente worked miracles at Memphis and will have resources and talent potential at VT that are beyond compare. He'll have big success there. But I think UT wins this one.
Losing Brown doesn't make much sense but not surprised at all.
Get a better bagman, Kirby.
For as great as Uga recruits they still lose a lot of great players from that state. Like how do you let Deshaun Watson get away? Nkemdiche, etc.
Nkemdiche went to Ole Miss. That one doesn't take much explaining.
Watson was recruited by Clemson since he was a freshman and committed as a sophomore. Hard to overcome an early relationship like that.
Too much talent in GA to keep every player.
With all the staff changes, I'm pleased with how Kirby kept this class intact and added some solid pieces. Still in the running for Demetris Robertson as well. Ready to see what he can do with a full year of recruiting.
I will be shocked if we lose the battle of Bristol.
C'mon man!
It's a neutral-site game in September between two teams who have had similar results in the past three years (I think VT has one more win compared to UT, they may even have the same amount of wins). Tennessee will have more talent on the field, not arguing that...but to say that it would be a "shock" if Tech pulls it off seems extreme.
What will the spread be? Tennessee -5?
I would take TN -5 all day... those two programs are heading in opposite directions.
And wow, you're like a walking, talking infomercial to turn people away from Pearl Jam and Ohio State, aren't you? Before you started posting here I quite liked Pearl Jam and was indifferent towards OSU, now I find myself wishing that Eddie Vedder falls down a mine shaft or that Columbus is infested with locusts
Fwiw, Jones has already issued a statement vehemently denying this being accurate. There's so much going on with this that it's hard to keep track of what's what. I agree that he 100% should be fired if it is true.
The Graveyard Clemson has garnered 57 wins over AP-ranked teams over the years, but some wins stand out. Winning over a ranked team in Death Valley is one thing, but gaining victory over a ranked team on an opponent’s home field is an extraordinary accomplishment. To document these victories, Clemson has constructed a “Graveyard” at the entrance to the Clemson practice fields behind the Jervey Athletic Center. Clemson added to the area in 2005 when it defeated #19 South Carolina 13-9 in Columbia, then had a 27-20 victory at ninth-ranked Florida State in 2006. It is the first time in 10 years that Clemson has had graveyard additions in consecutive years.
That was actually the first time we've walked over to them. I've walked by them picking up my son from Dabo's football clinic, but it was the first time we stopped, read, & took photos of the tombstones. It's always fun to drive around campus. The new football facility is going to be AMAZING! We had 45 minutes to kill while my daughter was in dance class.
This is interesting too, but for some it might be to long to read. Not to me though!
I've seen the following questions asked on numerous occasions here on Tigernet: (1) "Who had the tradition of a football graveyard first?", (2) Who started this tradition at Clemson?" The most straightforward answer to the first question is FSU. However, there are some caveats when it comes to talking about graveyards and football that will be explained later.
First, let's talk about FSU's graveyard. From Wiki we see the following description of FSU's "sod cemetery".
"In 1962, the FSU football team captains returned to Tallahassee with a piece of the turf from Sanford Stadium after defeating Georgia 18–0 in Athens. The turf was presented to Dean Coyle E. Moore who founded the tradition of the sod game.
The sod cemetery began when the first piece of sod was buried in the corner of the Florida State practice field and a monument was placed to commemorate the road victory. In the early years, FSU only snipped grass when it won by upset on the road. But as the Seminoles became more successful, the criteria changed. Sod games still represent road games won when FSU is a significant underdog, however, all bowl games are now considered sod games as well as landmark road wins no matter who was favored. Each piece of sod is buried in the cemetery next to the practice field and a tombstone is placed above it with the score and date of the game."
FSU has compiled at least 75 such significant victories. They use "flat" headstones to mark their victories. This is in contrast to Clemson who uses "upright" headstones to mark road win victories over top ranked football opponents. It is not clear whether or not there are a total of 75 headstones in the sod cemetery. Some of FSU's victories, celebrated in their cemetery, have been vacated by the NCAA due to various violations. The headstones associated with the vacated victories remain in the sod cemetery.
With regard to Clemson's "victory graveyard" we have the following excerpt from a Clemson University website:
"Clemson has garnered 57 wins over AP-ranked teams over the years, but some wins stand out. Winning over a ranked team in Death Valley is one thing, but gaining victory over a ranked team on an opponent’s home field is an extraordinary accomplishment. To document these victories, Clemson has constructed a “Graveyard” at the entrance to the Clemson practice fields behind the Jervey Athletic Center".
There is no specific information provided on the founding date of the "victory graveyard". However, the following description is generally accepted as the story behind Clemson's first tombstone.
Much was made of the FSU's 1988 "puntrooskie" victory over Clemson and the sod the FSU captains took from the playing field of Death Valley for use in their sod cemetery. Well, the next year in 1989, Danny Ford took his Tigers to Tallahassee and beat the ranked Seminoles 34-23. The team took sod from the playing field of FSU's Doak Campbell stadium. Danny Ford had his own graveyard constructed near the Clemson practice field. He had an upright headstone placed making FSU the first recognized victim. The captured FSU sod was planted below the tombstone. Clemson does not take sod for purposes of planting it in the victory graveyard. FSU was the first and only victim whose sod was taken as it was payback for their 1988 act.
Now for the caveats I mentioned previously:
Clemson has always had a graveyard overlooking Memorial Stadium. Clemson's Woodland Cemetery, as it is now known, sits atop "Cemetery Hill" at a high elevation with a valley below. In the valley sits Clemson's "Death Valley" stadium. Woodland Cemetery was originally the family cemetery of famous South Carolina politician John C. Calhoun. In 1837 his infant grandson was the first to be buried on Cemetery Hill. It continued to be used for years as the family cemetery with 16 more Calhoun family members being buried there. Clemson president as well as Tiger football founder Walter Riggs helped to establish a faculty cemetery on Cemetery Hill through his suggestion to the Board of Trustees in 1922. Two years later the Board of Trustees created Woodland Cemetery. Ironically, Walter Riggs became the first faculty member interned in "Woodland Cemetery" near members of the Calhoun family. The massive south upper deck addition of Death Valley stadium now conceals portions of Cemetery Hill as viewed from the valley.
From Wiki:
"The term "Death Valley" comes from the fact that the field is physically situated in a valley. But two additional facts also add to the mystique. First, the university cemetery sits on a hill that once overlooked the field before the upper decks were constructed. The other reference comes from the late Lonnie McMillian, the former football coach at Presbyterian College. He told sports writers in 1948 that he had "to take his team up to Clemson and play in death valley" where they rarely scored or gained a victory. The nickname stuck to an extent, but when Clemson Head Coach Frank Howard started calling it that in the 1950s, the nickname really caught on. The nickname was solidified when Frank Howard received what came to be known as "Howard's Rock" from an alumnus, S.C. Jones, who had picked it up in Death Valley, California."