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Yeah, Mariota should be better, but he's tied to a sinking ship that won't be able to accommodate his skill set. I expect more out of him on his second team.
The last knucklehead QB to pan out was Marino, no?
Well, Ben Roethlisberger has two Super Bowl rings. And depends on what you mean by "knucklehead" and what you mean by "pan out." If your definition of "panning out" means "winning a Super Bowl," well then most players to ever play in the NFL didn't "pan out."
I figured we were discussing QB's who were knuckleheads in college. I didn't know Roethlisberger was. Marino never won a Super Bowl, and I'd say his career panned out. By pan out, I basically mean play high level football for a decent stretch of time. If a QB isn't getting you to the playoffs and contending, he most likely never "panned out".
I forgot about Favre though. He was a bit of a headcase as a rookie and wound up getting traded by the Falcons. He did alright, I guess.
Yeah, Mariota should be better, but he's tied to a sinking ship that won't be able to accommodate his skill set. I expect more out of him on his second team.
The last knucklehead QB to pan out was Marino, no?
Well, Ben Roethlisberger has two Super Bowl rings. And depends on what you mean by "knucklehead" and what you mean by "pan out." If your definition of "panning out" means "winning a Super Bowl," well then most players to ever play in the NFL didn't "pan out."
We can debate the value of super bowl wins all day. When it's all said and done Eli Manning will be in the hall of fame for them, but he will be alongside many great players that never won.
Like Black Dynamite said we were focusing on QBs that were well known "character red flags" before they were drafted. Roethlisberger isn't in that category in fact he was kind of a freak in college. Did you know he started as a redshirt freshman despite only playing one year of highschool quarterback? Crazy.
Favre is a good example we forgot about. Cam Newton may be a pretty good one too. Kicked out of Florida, killed it at Blinn, then you have that controversy over whether or not his dad shopped him around the SEC.
Well, Ben Roethlisberger has two Super Bowl rings. And depends on what you mean by "knucklehead" and what you mean by "pan out." If your definition of "panning out" means "winning a Super Bowl," well then most players to ever play in the NFL didn't "pan out."
We can debate the value of super bowl wins all day. When it's all said and done Eli Manning will be in the hall of fame for them, but he will be alongside many great players that never won.
Like Black Dynamite said we were focusing on QBs that were well known "character red flags" before they were drafted. Roethlisberger isn't in that category in fact he was kind of a freak in college. Did you know he started as a redshirt freshman despite only playing one year of highschool quarterback? Crazy.
Favre is a good example we forgot about. Cam Newton may be a pretty good one too. Kicked out of Florida, killed it at Blinn, then you have that controversy over whether or not his dad shopped him around the SEC.
You mean the controversy over anyone could PROVE that his dad shopped him around the SEC, right? I will go to my grave believing it happened.
Now, Anthony Davis is temporarily retiring. How fucked are the 49ers this season?
In just a few years they went from Super Bowl contender to NFC cannon fodder. Watching that unfold has been fun to watch. Losing anyone who's been a starter from day 1 hurts but tack that onto everything thats already happened this offseason and yeah, they are fucked with a capital F.
Now, Anthony Davis is temporarily retiring. How fucked are the 49ers this season?
In just a few years they went from Super Bowl contender to NFC cannon fodder. Watching that unfold has been fun to watch. Losing anyone who's been a starter from day 1 hurts but tack that onto everything thats already happened this offseason and yeah, they are fucked with a capital F.
I never asked to turn off filters since they don't bother me much. For me that reads: "yeah, they are quacked with a capital F."
Now, Anthony Davis is temporarily retiring. How fucked are the 49ers this season?
In just a few years they went from Super Bowl contender to NFC cannon fodder. Watching that unfold has been fun to watch. Losing anyone who's been a starter from day 1 hurts but tack that onto everything thats already happened this offseason and yeah, they are fucked with a capital F.
Yeah. Davis by himself wouldn't be cause for panic, but it's just another in a series of bad things to happen to them this offseason.
Post by thepeppers on Aug 30, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
Vegas has the Vikings win total at 7.5, I'll take the over on that. They went 7-9 last year, and four of them losses came in the last two months by a combined 13 points. AP is back as well.
So the Patriots preseason games have been produced and aired by a local CBS station in Boston. It's then carried out over other stations in New England:
The idea that "every team does it" but you have to make an example out of someone, especially if it fits a current agenda or the court of public opinion has spoken.
Maybe double standards is the right term for it. I'm not sure if Saints fans are ever going to fully get over the fact that the franchise was damaged tremendously by Goodell's decision during Bountygate. Just like with Brady, all the player suspensions were eventually overturned after very lengthy arbitration. However, the lost season of 2012 and the loss of all those draft picks have significantly impacted the team in a negative way.
In 2011, the Saints had probably their greatest statistical season in the history of the team. They went 13-3, were undefeated at home, and were less than a minute away from beating the 49ers in San Francisco and hosting the Giants in the NFC Championship game. They would've been obvious favorites at home that year, especially after already beating the Giants 49-24 in Week 12. Then, Bountygate happened.
Sean Payton can't even talk to the team for an entire year. Don't you think that would have some negative effect on the long-term planning of the team? The general manager is out for the first 8 games. The assistant coach is out for the first 6. They lose their second round picks for two straight seasons. They finish the season 7-9. To top it all off, the Super Bowl victory will be forever tainted by people trying to say that the Saints cheated their way to victory. The penalties called against the Saints that season were minimal and near the fewest in the league.
The team has never recovered.
The Patriots actually video tape another team's practice and lose a draft pick. They purposefully deflate balls to have an unfair competitive advantage and lose a draft pick.
The idea that "every team does it" but you have to make an example out of someone, especially if it fits a current agenda or the court of public opinion has spoken.
Maybe double standards is the right term for it. I'm not sure if Saints fans are ever going to fully get over the fact that the franchise was damaged tremendously by Goodell's decision during Bountygate. Just like with Brady, all the player suspensions were eventually overturned after very lengthy arbitration. However, the lost season of 2012 and the loss of all those draft picks have significantly impacted the team in a negative way.
In 2011, the Saints had probably their greatest statistical season in the history of the team. They went 13-3, were undefeated at home, and were less than a minute away from beating the 49ers in San Francisco and hosting the Giants in the NFC Championship game. They would've been obvious favorites at home that year, especially after already beating the Giants 49-24 in Week 12. Then, Bountygate happened.
Sean Payton can't even talk to the team for an entire year. Don't you think that would have some negative effect on the long-term planning of the team? The general manager is out for the first 8 games. The assistant coach is out for the first 6. They lose their second round picks for two straight seasons. They finish the season 7-9. To top it all off, the Super Bowl victory will be forever tainted by people trying to say that the Saints cheated their way to victory. The penalties called against the Saints that season were minimal and near the fewest in the league.
The team has never recovered.
The Patriots actually video tape another team's practice and lose a draft pick. They purposefully deflate balls to have an unfair competitive advantage and lose a draft pick.
Not a Saints hater or fan. But I think double standard is the wrong term. Maybe unfortunate that they had to deal with an overzealous Goodell first and wore him down a bit for the Pats. The NFL (Goodell) did everything in their power to punish the Pats and I think the penalty was pretty severe for the team based on the infraction.
But even if true (which I think it was) there's a big difference in fucking with the air pressure in a ball and fucking with somebody's vertebrae so there's that. The Pats have lost a first and a fourth as well as a million bucks so it's not like the're waltzing away whistling a happy tune even though they get to keep Brady on the field. For the most part the suspensions for the Saints players ended up much lighter than originally levied. As far as the team penalties go I really can't fault that the Saints were more severely punished than the Pats.
I tell you what: Outside of a fragile Brett Favre, where were the injuries? Where were the called penalties? What did they do on the field that is cheating?
Post by crazykittensmile on Sept 4, 2015 11:29:50 GMT -5
I wish this whole moving to LA bullshit would just happen or not already. I'm feeling so butthurt that I don't really give much of a shit about this season at all.
I tell you what: Outside of a fragile Brett Favre, where were the injuries? Where were the called penalties? What did they do on the field that is cheating?
Injuries/concussions are the NFL's biggest fear. I can't imagine any situation where they don't come down hard on the Saints after that all went public.
I tell you what: Outside of a fragile Brett Favre, where were the injuries? Where were the called penalties? What did they do on the field that is cheating?
Post by Dale Cooper on Sept 10, 2015 14:17:43 GMT -5
So, without remembering that it was football Sunday, two days ago I agreed to go with my grandmother to a family reunion which starts at noon. Now I not only miss the Packers and Colts games, but I'm in Louisville where we have the freaking Bengals/Raiders game as our 4:30. Terrible start to the season.
My plan is to drive separately and maybe escape by 2:30 so I can at least watch the second half of the Packers. So annoyed with myself for not realizing my mistake until it was too late.
So, without remembering that it was football Sunday, two days ago I agreed to go with my grandmother to a family reunion which starts at noon. Now I not only miss the Packers and Colts games, but I'm in Louisville where we have the freaking Bengals/Raiders game as our 4:30. Terrible start to the season.
My plan is to drive separately and maybe escape by 2:30 so I can at least watch the second half of the Packers. So annoyed with myself for not realizing my mistake until it was too late.
So by your logic, the fact that they were placing bounties on specific players isn't a big deal if they didn't actually wind up hurting those players in the end? So you see no problem with offering your players money to intentionally injure Aaron Rogers, Cam Newton, Jay Cutler, Matt Hasselbeck, or any of the other players named as a result of the investigation, if the players were unable to actually accomplish those injuries?
Let me ask you this: what are your thoughts on attempted murder? Just a bunch of bullshit, am I right?
Don't jump to that attempted murder bullshit. It's fucking football. They were paying players to make hard, legal hits. Stealing teams' play sheets and filming their signals is just fair play, right?
I will concede that Gregg Williams is a piece of shit. I will concede that the timing of the investigation corresponding with all the negative media around concussions did not work well in the team's favor. The evidence does show that a pay for performance program was set up among many players on the defense, much of which was paying players for turnovers and big hits.
However, the Saints were one of the lesser penalized teams in the NFL during that stretch. They caused very few injuries, by no means any different amounts of injuries than any other team in the NFL, and none to any of the players you've named. They made hard, legal hits on players. Don't sit there and try to tell me that anything else that happens that isn't called is something that is only done by the Saints, either. Other players have come out to say that these types of things happened at many other NFL locker rooms.
The team deserved punishment, specifically Williams and Vilma, but what the Saints received was the closest thing in NFL history to the SMU Ponygate death penalty in 1987.
The New England Patriots have been cheating for years! You can call it bending the rules all you want, but the man is called Bellicheat for a reason. But Robert Kraft was Goodell's right hand man. Cheat all you want for the last 14 or so years, win 4 Super Bowls out of 6 attended, and hardly get a slap on the wrist for all the infractions.
My argument is that there is a severe lack of consistency in the punishments. I don't want to see the Patriots have to play without Brady. If anything, I want to see Bellichick sit out a full season, see if he'll keep "misinterpreting the rules" all the time.
So, without remembering that it was football Sunday, two days ago I agreed to go with my grandmother to a family reunion which starts at noon. Now I not only miss the Packers and Colts games, but I'm in Louisville where we have the freaking Bengals/Raiders game as our 4:30. Terrible start to the season.
My plan is to drive separately and maybe escape by 2:30 so I can at least watch the second half of the Packers. So annoyed with myself for not realizing my mistake until it was too late.
So, without remembering that it was football Sunday, two days ago I agreed to go with my grandmother to a family reunion which starts at noon. Now I not only miss the Packers and Colts games, but I'm in Louisville where we have the freaking Bengals/Raiders game as our 4:30. Terrible start to the season.
My plan is to drive separately and maybe escape by 2:30 so I can at least watch the second half of the Packers. So annoyed with myself for not realizing my mistake until it was too late.
By the second half, that Packers game will already be over, unfortunately.
Don't jump to that attempted murder bullshit. It's fucking football. They were paying players to make hard, legal hits. Stealing teams' play sheets and filming their signals is just fair play, right?
I will concede that Gregg Williams is a piece of shit. I will concede that the timing of the investigation corresponding with all the negative media around concussions did not work well in the team's favor. The evidence does show that a pay for performance program was set up among many players on the defense, much of which was paying players for turnovers and big hits.
However, the Saints were one of the lesser penalized teams in the NFL during that stretch. They caused very few injuries, by no means any different amounts of injuries than any other team in the NFL, and none to any of the players you've named. They made hard, legal hits on players. Don't sit there and try to tell me that anything else that happens that isn't called is something that is only done by the Saints, either. Other players have come out to say that these types of things happened at many other NFL locker rooms.
The team deserved punishment, specifically Williams and Vilma, but what the Saints received was the closest thing in NFL history to the SMU Ponygate death penalty in 1987.
The New England Patriots have been cheating for years! You can call it bending the rules all you want, but the man is called Bellicheat for a reason. But Robert Kraft was Goodell's right hand man. Cheat all you want for the last 14 or so years, win 4 Super Bowls out of 6 attended, and hardly get a slap on the wrist for all the infractions.
My argument is that there is a severe lack of consistency in the punishments. I don't want to see the Patriots have to play without Brady. If anything, I want to see Bellichick sit out a full season, see if he'll keep "misinterpreting the rules" all the time.
Your homerism is astounding. Putting that aside, the NFL and its disciplinary processes are a goddamn national tragedy.