Wu Tang sucked. We ran back to the RV to throw some warm clothes on before McCartney, thinking we could fly back in to catch WT only to have them finish twenty minutes early. Only caught the last song and a half, and will end up going down as one of my biggest 13 failures. I didn't notice a drastic demographic shift in bro population from previous years, witness a single fight, or find vomit on the ground once. The population shift that was troubling to me had to be the inordinate amount of vigra poppin, metamucil swillin, 65 yr old Macca fans in VIP talking and scream singing the entire show, and then taking over centerroo on their hoverrounds. We ended up shooting back to the RV to listen to Paul (which makes missing Wu Tang even worse) and then head in for better late night positions.
Wait, what the hell are you talking about? First you talk about how Wu-Tang sucked, then later you lament missing the show?
Obviously wasn't clear. Meant they sucked in that they finished earlier than the official end of their time slot. Expected to catch at least the last half hour, and only saw about ten minutes... Not the group itself, but my experience. The anticipation for that show was palpable throughout the day. There were Wu Tang shirts everywhere, the crowd was clearly hyped, I had super high expectations. In hind sight, we should have shot over to Wu Tang, and then went back to change. The McCartney setlist was set up perfectly (for my groups tastes) for that. We dropped the ball big time.
I assumed the first post in this thread was just trolling but maybe not with so many responses. This year was my 8th Bonnaroo in a row and I have to say that this years event was the smoothest and cleanest experience so far. The security was just right, the weather was nice, the portos stayed clean enough, the grounds even stayed pretty clean. My only real complaint would be that the crowd sizes as Saturday night were the largest I have ever seen. Bounced between all 3 late nights saturday and the crowds were just huge all around. I also believe there is a lot of confused people that just assume that all the young people are ragin brotards when they are just young people acting the way the current generation of young people do now. If they are doing something moronic or rude say something to them. They typical just do not know better or have never had anyone go "hey quit being a jackass" and they shape up or ship out fast when called out.
Also, with the talk about the bros and trash. I have to say that the Phish/Jam hippie crowd is the most littering and nasty crowd although they are supposedly the kindhearted hippies. Any big jam show not just Bonnaroo is always super trashed with garbage everywhere, blown out portos with shit on the walls from over spun wooks, flat brims trying to hustle the custies, and balloons and glow-sticks littered everywhere. I have seen a lot of shows and this is not opinion but fact.
I am in a fraternity (don't stone me yet), but I do understand how awful drunk "bros" can be at a show and I hate that people have such a negative view of fraternity men. I had five beers the whole weekend and took no druqs (I know I am a square), but I didn't want to "rage". I came to listen to some great music and tried to be as respectful as possible.
I can't tell who's trolling and who isn't in this thread.
My friends and I all remarked that the bros were some of the nicest people we met all week. They're much less of a buzzkill than the people loudly complaining about having their personal space violated (aka someone bumped into them OMG HOW DARE THEY). I don't know what people expect.
Crowd etiquette was violated constantly, just as it is at every other show I've ever been to in my life. People are gonna shove their way to the front of the crowd. That's just how it is. You can't blame that on the bros.
I did see someone get pissed on in the Paul McCartney crowd. That was fucked up. But even that guy wasn't a bro, he was just a hippie who was too messed up to function.
I think most of the "bros" are also probably first timers who aren't privy to the bonnaroo code. I camped next to a group from texas a&m who "Iced" each other and trashed up their camp for a few days(all first timers to bonnaroo). They were also without any shade which we had an extra canopy and provided to them for the next few days. We also told them they should keep camp clean and they obliged no issues. By the end of bonnaroo they were extra appreciative and said they would come back better prepared the next time and thanked us. Moral of the story is to not thumb your nose at these fellow bonnaroovians but to educate them and show some bonnaroo love.
* my only bonnaroo disappointment was the quality of sound for several shows @ the tents. I felt the sound was mediocre compared to the last 3 times I have been.
I feel like there are a few groups of people who push through in the audience at a show. ... - The completely apologetic guys who feel terrible for being annoying but really, really need to get closer to the stage.
This is me! I have 2 magical phrases that give me Moses like powers in a Red Sea of people. "Excuse me" & "Pardon me". Whenever I used those simple words people were more than obliging, MAGIC! 1 caveat, you must be smiling in order for those spells to work.
Amen, brother. My husband and I have been going since the very first bonnaroo. The crowd was not the crowd bonnaroo is for. Everything you said is absolutely right on track. Nobody helping one another, everyone trashed the place, and the vibe was NOT the vibe that makes the roo special. My husband and I wanted to cry we were soooooooo disappointed.
Where were you camped?!?! I know TO is a community within a community so the fact that everyone I met around our base camp were awesome people isn't surprising. But I had friends camped in Pod 4 and Access RV and my car was parked in Pod 3, and when I visited any of those spots I saw nothing but happy people and an open sharing/caring vibe. Bummer you guys had such a terrible time. You're welcome to camp w/ us next year!
Post by memphis1979 on Jun 18, 2013 12:19:21 GMT -5
For the, "I had nothing for an hour," complaint, did you not want to eat, crap, or rest?
There where hours a day where I basically had no idea who was on. I'd simply find the tent with the most scheduled people, and lay a blanket down at the closest shade tree to hear the show. If I didn't like it, I'd move on. Within an hour or so I'd find myself trying to decide between two awesome shows.
All in what you make of it. Be flexible, be open, and make friends. You'll find something you'll not only like, but love
Post by klimfactor on Jun 18, 2013 14:49:56 GMT -5
No one "ruined" Bonnaroo for me this year. I perceived it to be as friendly as ever, and I had one of my best times ever on the farm. Yes, I got bumped and jostled here and there, but it's a concert with 80,000 people, many of them crammed in Centeroo at the same time. I expect nothing less. The whole "This festival sold out," "That festival is catering to wrong crowd" stuff is tiresome to me. I met awesome people this year at shows in Centeroo, at camp, etc. and saw countless amazing shows. Rap isn't going anywhere, both at 'roo and culturally speaking. If you don't like it on the farm, find another show to see or go to another fest. Bonnaroo will do just fine without you if you elect for the latter.
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Post by lizardking414 on Jun 18, 2013 15:27:18 GMT -5
festival producers like to make money and a broad spectrum of acts is a good way to that. unfortunatly for all of us there just arent enough jam bands to put on four straight days of shows. if positivity is the idea how is profiling and hating doing that. sir paul would be apauled. the idea is to "COME TOGETHER". I found everyone to be very helpful sharing and caring. however im also not a one dimensional music lover and am thankful all the musicians of the past paved the way for the creative unscenscored music we have today. let's not forget the men and women that have died fighting for the rights and freedoms we have. u wanna waste that on profiling people and wining on this thread cause roo didnt only cater to u this year!!! boo hoo. lets all come together and love one another right now. ur only adding to the negativity u say u dislike. peace
Post by redeyesteve27 on Jun 18, 2013 16:40:06 GMT -5
I've found that the bros to which folks seems to be complaining tend to be located in the middle of the crowds. I myself tend to try and get as close as possible for bands I like as well. However, my lady is 5'0". Not only is the middle of a huge crowd of taller people an unpleasant concert experience, I would imagine it could even be scary. So this year we just hung out towards the back. Nearly every show we could lay on a blanket, very much within listening distance, until the set started. Then we would either listen to the set right there or walk close enough to see the stage but not even try to fight the crowd. I must say I am now converted to accomidate her shortness because I had an incredibly more relaxed time doing this.
As a former Republican turned libertarian just shy of my 40th birthday
I'm really confused as to what this has to do with anything.
A roundabout way of saying I'm an older, relatively conservative guy who doesn't have much experience at events of this nature. Despite my background, I had more fun this weekend than I had in a long time.
"The problem with GnR is that they suck. The songs suck. Even when they were in their prime they sucked. Remnants of an era of misogynistic sunset strip garbage. Bros who dressed like girls but still acted like high school jocks.
Post by carl brutananadilewski on Jun 18, 2013 17:51:08 GMT -5
"Bonnaroo is a jam festival where people help people and spread love, not a rap concert with no musical merit. Will those rap groups be around 15 years from now? I seriously doubt it." Well Wu-Tang was celebrating their 20th anniversary this year, and Nas released Illmatic in 1994 and performed with a full live band soo........................
This was my seventh Bonnaroo, the first was 2004. While watching The Revivalists tear it up at Cafe Where someone asked me if this was how "Bonnaroo used to be?". It occurred to me at that point that it really hasn't changed that much. There may be more of some genres of music while there's less of others. The crowds may look a little different, but the essentials have remained unchanged. There has always been some bad behavior, but the crowds remain mostly positive, helpful, and friendly. And it's still one of the best places to be if you are a music lover.
I did not see any rap shows at Roo this year. I have already seen Nas and Wu-Tang. But I did hear shit got ROUGH after Tame Impala when the A$AP crowd was trying to get in. Luckily I was hanging out in the grass for that one. Death Grips crowd was nice people.
When my friends and I left Tom Petty we were walking through the field discussing how sad it was that there was just trash everywhere. Never has the trash been that bad, it's depressing.
Did you guys pick up any of that trash on your way out?
I saw one, older lady in her 50s saying, "you people should be ashamed of yourselves, don't you see this trash? Help pick it up."
I actually did try picking some stuff up. The festival security told me to get the fuck out. So maybe those folks should be a little more pissed at the festival security, and maybe have a few mire trash collection stations. Sometimes I had to walk a good 10 minutes to find the right trash can. Lord forbid you throw plastic in a regular can, the hippie nazis will get you.
Mehhhh it was my first roo this year, and the crowd was a lot different than I thought, but I had a feeling it would be that way because of the lineup. I don't think it was because there was rap, I believe it was because there were a lot of super popular performers there at a high peak of popularity in their careers. Macklemore, Kendrick, Of Monsters & Men, etc.. They're all over the radio right now and with that many at roo there is definitely going to be a scene change. I like and made a point to see all of those performers though, no problem woth it. Like others said, Wu Tang and Nas have been around for years and I enjoyed both of their performances as well. I didn't really have a problem with it except all the trash I had to pick up. And I ended up having to carry my neighbor's huge bag of trash when I left. But there are always litterbugs and it was my first year so I can't really compare haha. I do have some bruises from 'bros' shoving on me against the railing but hell not too bad for being in the front I usually get a little more beat up. But overall I had good vibes man, and met some awesome people And don't judge a bro by his cover because I'm 23 and my brother is 19 and we may be easily confused for them. Also I saw some 'bro' looking dudes collecting trash and met some pretty cool ones. Anyways, definitely returning next year although I do hope there is a little change in the lineup.
Okay done rambling haha sorry :b One question though, was anyone else confused as to why there were certain performers in tents? (Billy Idol, Dwight Yoakam, etc)
It's not an individual criticism of black people, it was the crowd as a whole, and by far goes beyond being black or white or any other nationality. They aren't hippies. They dont follow the bonnaroo code. Bonnaroo is a jam festival where people help people and spread love, not a rap concert with no musical merit. Will those rap groups be around 15 years from now? I seriously doubt it.
I think Bros is easily confused with a younger more spoiled generation of people in general. Rap and Hip Hop have very little to do with the people you see every year at Bonnaroo. Most people including myself are going to buy a ticket regardless of what the Line up is. Also, to the "will those rap groups be around" ummm...you picked a hell of a year to make that statement, as 2 of the main rap acts HAVE been doing it that long.
Post by lukescrazyarms on Jun 19, 2013 0:13:34 GMT -5
I really don't wanna bother reading all 5 pages of this but the only thing I must say is I didn't feel like people were excited like they've been the past years. I don't know the answer for why, but even entering and leaving I was saying happy Bonnaroo to every group of people and I'd be lucky if half said it back. The past few years I feel like every single person was saying it to each other and this year something just seemed different. Maybe it was too many new people not used to the heat or maybe it was the bros or maybe it was fat axl who secretly sabotaged everyones food stash and thats why he wasn't on the lineup. IDK. All I know is something felt different this year
Post by divemistressofdark on Jun 19, 2013 1:37:43 GMT -5
Personally I liked seeing more diversity in the crowd. Would be all for it again going forward.
Had a better time this year, for some odd reason. It was my seventh Roo and I think I'm finally just resigned to not being able to see much, breathing dust and walking a long way. The shows are epic, and it's worth it. To the folks that get pushed and shoved: it REALLY helps to bring small flashlights and hang them on your person, your bag and stuff so people don't trip over you in the dark. I have no idea why more people don't bring flashlights, do they not know it's dark in rural areas at night?
FWIW, the word is really out in Nashville now about Bonnaroo. They switched the Country Music Association festival to the weekend before (they've always been the same w/end as Roo) so people can come to town and do both. Also they ran shuttles from Nash this year, I think for the first time.
I feel like there are a few groups of people who push through in the audience at a show.
- The guys that just do not give a shiz and will literally plow through others to get to the front (some jerkstore did this at Beach House. Just shoulderblocked through guys and girls to get to the front, knocked some over)
- The guys that will push and be aggressive but feel shame when it's pointed out how much of a d!ck they're being
- The completely apologetic guys who feel terrible for being annoying but really, really need to get closer to the stage.
- The guys who are oblivious that they are being annoying to others and use the "It's a festival maaaaan. It's how things go dude" excuse and somehow make it like you are the problem for standing in your spot for over an hour because you like the view/location
Welcome to my world.... I'm a 5'4" female and have just about given up on going to GA shows because of the seven-foot guy who invariably shoves right in front of me just as the show is about to start, without even looking around to see whose view he's blocking. Invariably he's drunk and doesn't care that I got there three hours early for a good spot. It really pretty much sucks... am willing to go to Roo b/c there's usually someplace else to stand, but it's an exception.