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While this has nothign to do with the original discussion (that a hamburger is a sandwich), there are many "origins' for the burger and Hamburg, NY is absolutely on the list. ALL of them are oral histories handed down, and there is no way to prove whether the Menches, Nagreen, Davis or Lassen was truly the first to serve a modern hamburger.
But none of this changes the fact that it's a sandwich.
The whole "Wikipedia is unreliable" trope is the laziest argument on the interwebs. It's used when people are confronted by a wealth of information that they don't want to believe.
And it does have to do with the original discussion, because people (such as yourself) were quoting what the alleged inventors of the burger called it in support of their arguments. And you're wrong about Hamburg, NY - hamburg (the product) comes from Hamburg, Germany, and was a staple in Hamburg, NY due to the immigrants. So I guess yeah, if hamburg first was introduced to the US via Hamburg, NY then that's something, but that's like saying that because the first apple was eaten in Plymouth, MA that it's also the birthplace of the apple pie.
Sproat was right, you do rep your hood hard. Won't even budge on this, have to resort to making insane arguments about where burgers come from. Bro, NY isn't the center of the universe, bro.
Settle down there, chief. Hamburg NY is as close to me as it is to you, I basically think of that section of NY as Canada. Maybe NoD has been there and can weigh in.
I know exactly what hamburg (hamburg steak) is, for the record, and it's a distant cousin of a hamburger. It's basically salt beef and not at all like a burger.
The case of the Menches isn't simply "they took a hamburg and put it on bread." They took the hamburg meat and messed with it until finding something that worked. They modified an existing German dish, just like the other "inventors" did.
How have none of you "no's" asked "A hot dog is between bread, is it a sandwich?"
That would've been my first talking point.
That was brought up early on, I believe. I think NoD mentioned it.
And that's a tough one. I'd argue that no, the calling card of the hot dog is the meat inside of a casing, but lo and behold, if you slap some sausage links on some bread with some onions and peppers, it's a sausage sandwich, and the difference between hot dogs and sausages are negligible.
That was brought up early on, I believe. I think NoD mentioned it.
And that's a tough one. I'd argue that no, the calling card of the hot dog is the meat inside of a casing, but lo and behold, if you slap some sausage links on some bread with some onions and peppers, it's a sausage sandwich, and the difference between hot dogs and sausages are negligible.
I always assumed they make hotdogs with all the stuff left over from making sausages. Like, not from taking the pork and ingredients and putting them in the skin, but the leftover parts of the pick after lopping off the meaty parts.
How have none of you "no's" asked "A hot dog is between bread, is it a sandwich?"
That would've been my first talking point.
Somebody mentioned something about a hot dog, I think.
We should all tweet famous chefs and get their opinions on the matter.
I have messages out to Michael Symon, Jonathon Sawyer (James Beard Nominee) and Michael Ruhlman (James Beard Award winning author). Cleveland doesn't do many things well, but food is definitely one of them.
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My Grandpa continued to call them hamburger sandwiches well into the 2000s. He may not have been able to answer a cell phone but he could damn well still identify basic food items.
I say a hamburger is not a sandwich the same way the Grateful Dead are not a jamband. A hamburger might look like a sandwich, being meat between two slices of bread, just like the Grateful Dead might look like a jamband, being a set of musicians playing long, psychedelic improvisations, but neither are these things. They are similar, but different enough to necesitate a different title. Each have achieved a level of greatness that doesn't make it fair to lump them in with the term "jamband" or "sandwich". They got their own thing going on, you know?
Post by nodepression on Aug 4, 2012 10:58:31 GMT -5
My aunt lives in Hamburg, it's a pretty boring suburb of Buffalo that to my knowledge doesn't have any of the calling cards of a town that really lays claim to something. There's no national hamburger museum, no giant benevolent stone hamburger monuments. They lose style points there.
What do you "No's" think of the Burger Banh Mi? As you can see, a tradional sandwich and a burger combine seamlessly, as if a burger and a sandwich are one in the same.
Post by clevelndmike on Aug 9, 2012 14:14:57 GMT -5
Quick cut and paste of a message from Iron Chef Michael Symon putting an end to this debate.
Michael Hal posted to michael d symon 7 minutes ago ·
Need an opinion... is a hamburger a sandwich?? (IE: Is B Spot the purveyor of the best hamburger sandwich in America??) Like · michael d symon yes it is about a minute ago · Like Michael Hal Thanks!
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Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
