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Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I know I bring up this moment probably way too much than is healthy, but Juggs joining team 'no' reminds me of when Sting came down from the rafters on Nitro and took off his trenchcoat to reveal an nWo black and white shirt. I have that same deflated feeling of watching my hero join the ranks of the wrong-doers. I'll be patiently waiting for history to repeat itself and for Juggs to rip off the black and white to reveal the Wolfpack colors of the 'yes' camp.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 3, 2012 10:29:31 GMT -5
From the Wikipedia article for McDonaldland:
Officer Big Mac – He was featured in several of the campaign's commercials throughout the early 1970s and early 1980s. In addition to McDonald's signature sandwich, Big Mac was the name of a character in McDonaldland.
So the Big Mac....a hamburger......is known as McDonald's signature sandwich. In fact if you google up McDonald's signature sandwich you'll find articles about the big mac.
I know I bring up this moment probably way too much than is healthy, but Juggs joining team 'no' reminds me of when Sting came down from the rafters on Nitro and took off his trenchcoat to reveal an nWo black and white shirt. I have that same deflated feeling of watching my hero join the ranks of the wrong-doers. I'll be patiently waiting for history to repeat itself and for Juggs to rip off the black and white to reveal the Wolfpack colors of the 'yes' camp.
I know I bring up this moment probably way too much than is healthy, but Juggs joining team 'no' reminds me of when Sting came down from the rafters on Nitro and took off his trenchcoat to reveal an nWo black and white shirt. I have that same deflated feeling of watching my hero join the ranks of the wrong-doers. I'll be patiently waiting for history to repeat itself and for Juggs to rip off the black and white to reveal the Wolfpack colors of the 'yes' camp.
I know I bring up this moment probably way too much than is healthy, but Juggs joining team 'no' reminds me of when Sting came down from the rafters on Nitro and took off his trenchcoat to reveal an nWo black and white shirt. I have that same deflated feeling of watching my hero join the ranks of the wrong-doers. I'll be patiently waiting for history to repeat itself and for Juggs to rip off the black and white to reveal the Wolfpack colors of the 'yes' camp.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Aug 3, 2012 10:40:00 GMT -5
You know what they say, opposites attract.
And I'm now happy to acknowledge a hamburger as a sandwich. Never put much thought into it before this thread. All the signs point towards it being a sandwich. A better question to ponder now would be wheter a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I asked my sister the poll question yesterday (she's a no), and I guess that she asked people on a forum that she is on. This is an excerpt from her email to me today:
I posed the sandwich burger thing to my forum. its a funny conversation.
someone said "Here is another important question - how come there are no fat insects? " The response was "Some caterpillars and grubs are fat. Although, maybe that's considered "baby fat" since they morph into a non-fat insect?"
AND, a good point here.. is shape a factor?
I was about to agree < sparklingsapphire > 08/03 09:04:25 that the patty is what makes a burger a burger. But then...what about a portobello mushroom cap burger? I'd still consider that a "burger" more than a sandwich, because it's served on a bun and with burger-like toppings.
because its < Jewel0523 > 08/03 09:08:45 burger shaped?
So a whole portabello is more burger to me than a sliced portabello sandwich.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by Homer J. Fong on Aug 3, 2012 11:59:44 GMT -5
It's very simple - the burger, while perhaps tangentially related to the "sandwich," is a separate and distinct creature. For one, a "burger," whether beef, chicken, turkey, or tuna, is composed of a patty made of a ground/shredded meat mixture (or vegetable matter, I suppose). This mixture is definitively formed in a semi-flattened patty shape, then placed on a bun or (in some cases) bread. The shape is key - this distinguishes from such things as meatloaf sandwiches and meatball sandwiches.
Now, some contrarian assh*le is going to be all "well durr, what if you put a sausage patty on a bun its not a burger its a sausage sandwich JUGGS UR A LAME INTERWEBZ SANDWICH BULLY." To which I reply, au contraire - "sausage" is a pre-made and existing product. Yes, it can come in patty form, but there are certain criteria to considering something sausage - the spices used, etc. So despite appearances to the contrary, no, just because there exists one meat patty served on a bun which is referred to as a "sandwich" does not mean the entire argument is invalidated.
As a final point, I'll use a music analogy for those of you who only speak that language: would you refer to the Sex Pistols as a rock and roll band? For instance, would you say that "the Sex Pistols are my favorite rock and roll band of all time?" Of course not, you're not an idiot. They're a punk band. Now, punk and rock & roll are clearly related, and share many of the same elements. However, they're distinct and separate entities, and "rock & roll" has spawned any number of offshoots which are recognized as their own genre, just as the sandwich has done with such things as the hamburger, or the wrap.
One (more) final point - for all of you arguing that the hamburger is a sandwich, do you also wander around, constantly pointing at pigeons and exclaiming "HEY LOOK GUYZ ITS A DINOSAUR!" Because it's basically the same thing.
One (more) final point - for all of you arguing that the hamburger is a sandwich, do you also wander around, constantly pointing at pigeons and exclaiming "HEY LOOK GUYZ ITS A DINOSAUR!" Because it's basically the same thing.
You're not smooth talking your way out of this one, good ser.
"Burger" comes from the term "Hamburger," which is derived from the "Hamburg Sandwich." Look it up.
And what does that have to do with anything? Just because some idiot got it wrong in 1904 doesn't mean we all have to suffer. By your logic, rain is actually God's tears.
Edit: And don't even get me started on how your little story isn't even CLOSE to the truth of the matter. There are about 19 different accounts of how the hamburger was invented, so trying to pass your little fable off as the genuine article is bullsh*t.
You're not smooth talking your way out of this one, good ser.
"Burger" comes from the term "Hamburger," which is derived from the "Hamburg Sandwich." Look it up.
And what does that have to do with anything? Just because some idiot got it wrong in 1904 doesn't mean we all have to suffer. By your logic, rain is actually God's tears.
Edit: And don't even get me started on how your little story isn't even CLOSE to the truth of the matter. There are about 19 different accounts of how the hamburger was invented, so trying to pass your little fable off as the genuine article is bullsh*t.
Oh, not a fable at all. German immigrants used to pack Hamburg steak on the Hamburg Lines because it didn't spoil quickly like many other meats. Basically, a hamburger was a hamburg steak chopped up and served in patty form, but the origination of the hamburger/ketchup combo that is now the standard burger came about in Hamburg, NY in some manner similar to the one I explained.
I'm sure the details aren't all accurate, but German immigrants in Hamburg, NY led to the creation of the Hamburg Sandwich, and thus the modern hamburger was born...as a sandwich.
And what does that have to do with anything? Just because some idiot got it wrong in 1904 doesn't mean we all have to suffer. By your logic, rain is actually God's tears.
Edit: And don't even get me started on how your little story isn't even CLOSE to the truth of the matter. There are about 19 different accounts of how the hamburger was invented, so trying to pass your little fable off as the genuine article is bullsh*t.
Oh, not a fable at all. German immigrants used to pack Hamburg steak on the Hamburg Lines because it didn't spoil quickly like many other meats. Basically, a hamburger was a hamburg steak chopped up and served in patty form, but the origination of the hamburger/ketchup combo that is now the standard burger came about in Hamburg, NY in some manner similar to the one I explained.
I'm sure the details aren't all accurate, but German immigrants in Hamburg, NY led to the creation of the Hamburg Sandwich, and thus the modern hamburger was born...as a sandwich.
I'd like to point out that nowhere in Wikipedia's terrific "History of the Hamburger" page does your little fable come up. Meanwhile...
"One of the possible fathers of the hamburger is Charlie Nagreen (1870–1951) of Seymour, Wisconsin, who at the age of 15 sold Hamburg steaks from a street stall at the annual Outagamie County Fair. Nagreen said he began by selling Hamburg steaks, but these did not have much success because people wanted to freely move around the festival without the need to eat them at his stand. In response to this, in 1885 Nagreen decided to flatten the hamburger steak and insert it between two slices of bread, so that the public could move freely from booth to booth while eating his sandwich, an innovation that was well received by his customers.[37] This became known as the "Hamburger Charlie", and Nagreen's creation was sold at the festival until his death in 1951. To this day, his accomplishment is celebrated annually with a "Burger Fest" in his honor in his hometown of Seymour.
Another alleged inventor of the hamburger is the cook Fletcher Davis (better known as "Old Dave"), who claimed to have had the idea of putting ground beef between bread at the end of 1880 in Athens, Texas. Fletcher had a stall with his wife at the St. Louis World's Fair of 1904. Texan journalist Frank X. Tolbert mentions a salesman named Fletcher Davis who served hamburgers in a café at 115 Tyler Street in Athens during the late 1880s.[38][39] The locals claim that Davis was selling beef sandwiches during that time, without having a clear name for his invention. During the 1980s, the Dairy Queen ice cream chain filmed a documentary about the birthplace of the hamburger featuring Davis' story.
In the same year that Charlie Nagreen claimed to have developed his "Hamburger Charlie", the brothers and street cooks Frank and Charles Menches of Akron, Ohio claimed to have sold a ground beef sandwich at the Erie County Fair.[32] According to the brothers, the name of the hamburger derived from the town Hamburg, New York in Erie County, the first place in which it had been sold. This statement has been very poorly documented or substantiated, and in the case of an oral tradition, it is not without its contradictions. Its famous description of the secret ingredients used in the recipes, such as coffee or brown sugar, is primitive."
So if the Menches brothers of Ohio are your alleged duo who claim to have created the hamburger, their own story about it being invented and derived from Hamburg, NY is considered dubious at best.
Meanwhile, I'd like to note that Charlie Nagreen referred to it as a "hamburger Charlie" or a "burger" and not a "sandwich." And his story is quite well documented.
I'm on the fence about this, but for the record, I did eat at lunch at a place today where burgers were in the "sandwich" section. One restaurant's stance on the matter doesn't decide it for me, but if you're into that sort of thing then here's the link to their menu:
I'd like to point out that nowhere in Wikipedia's terrific "History of the Hamburger" page does your little fable come up. Meanwhile...
Oh, well if Wikipedia says it....
While this has nothign to do with the original discussion (that a hamburger is a sandwich), there are many "origins' for the burger and Hamburg, NY is absolutely on the list. ALL of them are oral histories handed down, and there is no way to prove whether the Menches, Nagreen, Davis or Lassen was truly the first to serve a modern hamburger.
But none of this changes the fact that it's a sandwich.
I'd like to point out that nowhere in Wikipedia's terrific "History of the Hamburger" page does your little fable come up. Meanwhile...
Oh, well if Wikipedia says it....
While this has nothign to do with the original discussion (that a hamburger is a sandwich), there are many "origins' for the burger and Hamburg, NY is absolutely on the list. ALL of them are oral histories handed down, and there is no way to prove whether the Menches, Nagreen, Davis or Lassen was truly the first to serve a modern hamburger.
But none of this changes the fact that it's a sandwich.
The whole "Wikipedia is unreliable" trope is the laziest argument on the interwebs. It's used when people are confronted by a wealth of information that they don't want to believe.
And it does have to do with the original discussion, because people (such as yourself) were quoting what the alleged inventors of the burger called it in support of their arguments. And you're wrong about Hamburg, NY - hamburg (the product) comes from Hamburg, Germany, and was a staple in Hamburg, NY due to the immigrants. So I guess yeah, if hamburg first was introduced to the US via Hamburg, NY then that's something, but that's like saying that because the first apple was eaten in Plymouth, MA that it's also the birthplace of the apple pie.
Sproat was right, you do rep your hood hard. Won't even budge on this, have to resort to making insane arguments about where burgers come from. Bro, NY isn't the center of the universe, bro.
Team no! Rock on dude, rock on. 
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
