NFL 2012-2013 Thread

They are going to release Tebow, he has no guaranteed $ and no team is going to trade for him. Prediction: Tebow to CFL

They are going to try to trade Sanchez, and it's not completely irrational to think they can do it. If he was released outright he would 100% be picked up by a team that wants to take a flier on a veteran QB with experience who maybe needs a change of scenery. The question would be how to get one of those teams to trade for Mark. Well, assuming the Jets don't find someone to take Sanchez's full value (which is possible if you do a "headache for a headache" swap with, say, a franchise-tagged Dwayne Bowe), they can pay $4.3m of Mark's ~$8.6m 2013 salary, making him slightly more expensive than Kyle Orton was this year. Not impossible to trade him at that point, especially if it's for a 7th or something.

I wouldn't be happy with Vick because he's smaller than Sanchez, just as mistake prone while under pressure, and because he's always hurt. Jets fans are already saying they'll "quit the team" if they sign Vick, which is b.s. Jets fans are such babies, they'll be back just like I will to see what a QB with a rocket arm can do behind the Jets' big OL.

But on a scale of 1-10 how happy would I be, with 10 being "Mila Kunis giving me a lap dance" and 1 being "Vince Wilfork giving me a lap dance," I'd be about a 4.

Agreed, but Vick is also guilty of holding the ball way too long and inflicting unnecessary amounts of damage on himself.

So 1 is the happy side of the scale?

Just watch what you drop when you run into Vince's butt!

Mark's cap # for next year is $12.8 mil (that goes over $14m with bonuses), but his actual salary (factoring in a $500k roster bonus) is $8.75. If he's cut it's $17.15 mil of dead money. If he's traded his cap # rises because the remaining cap hit for his signing bonus accelerates and counts against the Jets' cap this year. That # would be about $12 million total. I say they can pay him a bonus because it will make him more attractive to another team, since it lowers his actual 2013 salary, which is what his new team will be responsible for since the team acquiring a player in a trade doesn't pay any of the original signing bonus $.

Basically....it beats the hell out of paying the full $17 mil.

If he's still on the team his cap # is going to really hurt and the Jets may force him to restructure his actual salary down to $715k (the minimum for someone with his experience) so his cap $ goes from $12m to $6m and his cap # in 2014 rises from $4m to $10m. This obviously isn't ideal and forces the Jets to keep him for 2013, but their cap is in way better shape in 2014. But that's also not really taking into account Revis' new deal or Wilkersons' likely new deal.

The Jets can get rid of him, but it will cost money no matter how they do it. I'm just hoping they do the one way that gives them the smallest cap hit, and that's through a trade.



NY media does suck. I can assure you that no Jets fan cares about Tim Tebow's 2013 hopes and dreams, they just want him off the team. Thank god he costs nothing to cut, but they're going to dangle him in front of jacksonville for a pick with a playing time escalator and hope for the best.

It'll be interesting to see how the Giants look, that's a tough environment and Diehl is pretty turrible (Locklear going down really hurts). They're going to attack him so he better be ready to step up.

Rise Up!

Jets fans don't like to talk about this. My brother got pissed off at me when I made the same suggestion a few weeks ago, haha.

I think they view trading Revis like a Mets fan would view trading David Wright. Or how I imagine Packers fans would feel about trading Rodgers/ Ravens fans would feel about trading Ray Rice.

"He's the best CB maybe to ever live! You don't trade that away!"

I'm still expecting the Lions to beat the Bears even if it's completely irrational, opening up the 6 spot for the Giants if the Vikings lose to the Pack next week. Giants will then go into Lambeau and beat the Packers in round 1, then beat the 49ers in San Fran round 2.

Yr. welcome.

^^^awesome.

I throw spaghetti at the refrigerator.

This is where the Giants want to be right - on the road, backs against the wall, scraping for a 6 seed?


Quack, this is like 2007 and 2011 all over again.

No it's not. Wake up to the realization that the Giants, for all intents and purposes, suck.

I came to that conclusion about the Jets weeks ago, the earlier you start coping the better.

As for Revis, you're right that Jets fans don't want to trade him. I don't know why that makes them irrational, since he IS the best CB since Deion and he was the best overall defensive player in the league before tearing his ACL. The Jets have assembled (without anyone realizing it) the foundation for a ridiculous defense. They need an edge rusher and for Kyle Wilson to not be guarding primary options. Revis coming back accomplishes the latter, the former will be done in the draft.

Trading Revis now, when his value is literally the lowest it has ever been since joining the NFL ranks, would be such poor mismanagement that if Tanny still does have his job at that point, I'd start calling for it. Oh, I know "better you get something than nothing, right?" No. Because one Darrelle Revis 100% season is so above and beyond whatever crap rookie you'd have that the season's success/failure could very well rest on that trade. I like watching Revis befuddle and infuriate opposing elite WR's. It's truly remarkable.

For a point of reference: Revis held Calvin Johnson, who just set the record for yards in a season, to one catch and 13 yards. And that wasn't a fluke. I'm not in the "pay him whatever he wants" camp, but a deal that averages out to $14-14.5m is acceptable given the player and how Rex altered his defense to take into account that Revis will literally own 33% of the field all game and it'll turn into Death Valley for QB's.




Juggs, I punched my ticket for the "I hope Seattle destroys everyone in the playoffs" train. They're so incredibly fun to watch and they're by far the most likable playoff team. And watching my 4 year old cousin Makenna root for Beast Mode because the two share an affinity for Skittles is something to behold (I doubt she knows anything about football, but when he runs over people she goes nuts).

I also think trading Revis would be a mistake and if they actually do trade him, it'll make it pretty difficult to still root for this team, although I'm sure my idiotic brain will still make me root for them regardless of what they do. However, they need to pay Revis and get this fiasco straightened out in the offseason. They cannot afford another holdout or even another threat of one.

The Jets are hard pressed for cash though, with Sanchez's ridiculous contract, among many others. I don't see how the Jets will be able to give Revis that long term contract that he deserves, unless it's structured where it pays out more towards the end. Would Revis go for that? Would he even consider resigning with a team in such disarray? The Jets need to keep him and need to get this solved this offseason, but honestly I have a hard time seeing how both of those things can happen.

I am also very stupid when it comes to economics and salary caps and all that stuff in sports (or in life in general) so I'm sure I'm not realizing something that's probably fairly obvious.

When the Giants were rolling they had a killer pass attack. It was essentially the only thing they had going for them offensively. That dynamic has simply disappeared and I'm not sure why. My guess is that Nicks' injury situation has been worse than was reported and the O-line has too many holes. Baas has sucked since they signed him, Snee has been hurt and Diehl is old. The defense for the most part has been average at best and awful at most times. They need an infusion of youth at too many positions and as bleak as 2012 has been 2013 doesn't look to be stellar either.