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So I now have both newbies, and both other people in the runoff voting for me after I say I think we have a mafia in the runoff. I smell a rat. All I can say in my defense is that I have provided nothing but facts, and backed up any theories I have had, which is a lot more than most people.
Also, CSTNZ, I did not say I was moving off SFA, because maybe I was not. I had no intention of voting him off for luck, but we won last time. Why are you so adament about defending him? I mean, I like the guy too, and he has played a lot of games, but so has EAP.
And EAP throws another tantrum and votes start moving? I didn't know there was a sympathy vote in this game, especially since she did the same thing last game and was mafia.
I said I would post in night one, but if this stands, I will have to post earlier. I don't mind another runoff because I think the facts will win out. But notice that no one outside the runoff who has played before is voting for me.
It's not really me defending SFA, it's me pointing out that SFA was helpful in last game, so why stack on him early? I'm still not convinced a player like you who usually tries to be precise and analytical would stack on him "for luck"
It's not really me defending SFA, it's me pointing out that SFA was helpful in last game, so why stack on him early? I'm still not convinced a player like you who usually tries to be precise and analytical would stack on him "for luck"
I'm an Irish Catholic who has kissed the blarney stone. Yes, I believe in luck. Logic and precision are mental, luck is emotional. If I can do both, I do both.
Alright, I need to sign off for the evening. I am barely awake enough to post as it is. I will be back on around 9AM tomorrow morning and re-look at everything again, but to recap. I think we have a mafia member in this runoff. I have laid details on each one. I don't think it is firm which of them it is yet, but I am leaning more to EAP. It could be both, but I don't think so.
The problem with this game is that I can't ever prove to you that I am a townie, and anytime you stick you neck out like I do, the mafia will say it looks like a mafia move. That's why it is interesting to me that only the newbies are voting for me. It seems like 1 of them may be being coached to use the newbie card, especially with the comment roonectar made about not looking at old games to look at patterns. If I had to guess, they have a very experienced mafia member as a guide, but as I learned last game, you can't pin it down to one person. I have a guess, but there is no value in my saying at this point, since it will shift a vote to me and I will die.
And that is the extent of what I am capable tonight. I'll try again tomorrow morning if I am alive by then. All I can tell you is that I have been honest, and energetic in trying to root out the mafia this game and last. I am a townie, and I want to win again, but it is your choice who stays or goes. Goodnight
I don't want to vote for you or viking. My vote stands for CST and I kinda hope some more people change to him like SFA did. He's not more suspicious, but he's not less suspicious than you or viking. I don't necessarily think he's mafia, but I get a pretty strong feeling that you and viking are townies.
Um would you explain what this means? If I'm just as suspicious as the two of them then why me? And why would you want people to switch to me? I feel I've been pretty straightforward this game. You had a hunch about me last time we played together and it ended up blinding us from the real mafia that was right in front of us. I think my playing style just makes you suspicious.
Please read what I said again.
My vote remaining on you is not because you are more suspicious than viking or eap. Like I said I have a feeling that viking and eap are both townies. I don't have a feeling about you being guilty or innocent.
I'm not accusing you so please don't get that idea.
Lots of discussion going. Runoff will stay open throughout the night. I will check in tomorrow and see how the discussion is gone and set a definite deadline then.
I find it strange that EAP goes on a tirade and then people decide to stack on CSTNZ/Viking..
Can someone please post something to make me suspicious of viking (besides the alleged SFA stack) or CST so I don't feel like we are fucked by keeping eap?
^i didn't go on a tirade?? i've been trying to keep it cool. i thought i was doing a good job.
You did do a tirade. Now I get to die instead since everyone is being sensitive, when all I have done is give info. IMO, that a load of bullshit. I am a townie, and have done nothing but help the townies, but now I get to die. Ill see you all in the morning.
look at how the votes are stacked. this early in the game, all three mafia are left. would they really left me go off so easily?
I'd like to point this out as well. EAP and others have said this same thing multiple times, yet when EAP is in any real trouble the vote changes roll in?
That's not fishy at all.
I am pretty shocked more people don't find her the most suspicious of the 3.
look at how the votes are stacked. this early in the game, all three mafia are left. would they really left me go off so easily?
I'd like to point this out as well. EAP and others have said this same thing multiple times, yet when EAP is in any real trouble the vote changes roll in?
That's not fishy at all.
I am pretty shocked more people don't find her the most suspicious of the 3.
^do you know what stacked means? It's when the votes are so heavy on one person it is skewed. When I have 5 votes and the other people have 2 that is stacked. But Viking and I being neck and neck is not stacking.
^i didn't go on a tirade?? i've been trying to keep it cool. i thought i was doing a good job.
You did do a tirade. Now I get to die instead since everyone is being sensitive, when all I have done is give info. IMO, that a load of bullhonkey. I am a townie, and have done nothing but help the townies, but now I get to die. Ill see you all in the morning.
Also I don't think that is really fair for you to say of the other players. If they were voting based on being sensitive to me, I wouldn't have been a goner last game. If you really are a townie you should be counting on your fellow townies to do the right thing.
You did do a tirade. Now I get to die instead since everyone is being sensitive, when all I have done is give info. IMO, that a load of bullhonkey. I am a townie, and have done nothing but help the townies, but now I get to die. Ill see you all in the morning.
Also I don't think that is really fair for you to say of the other players. If they were voting based on being sensitive to me, I wouldn't have been a goner last game. If you really are a townie you should be counting on your fellow townies to do the right thing.
It is fair, especially since we had a kumbia moment earlier in the game. Last game, people were more focused on winning. And you are right, I am counting on my FELLOW townies. You can trust in your fellow mafiosas. Nice slip
???? There is no slip. Like I've said a million times, I don't necessarily think either of you is mafia. I am asking the townies to keep around whichever of three of us will be more valuable.
Inspector I changed my mind. If you care about my opinion try asking about either player that is hiding behind pointless votes, SFA or Sarah. My money would be SFA
If you are a townie, I strongly suggest you reread thoroughly before this ends. EAP is the only one this round with a good chance of being mafia. CSTNZ and Viking have done nothing to warrant being voted off over EAP.
Ok, so after sleeping on it, and recharging, I am ready to die. To the 2-3 townies voting for me, you are killing one of your own. While I don't want to die, I can understand why you are doing what you are doing. It is easy to get sucked in by an experienced player like EAP and let your emotions take over. Before I die though, I want to leave you with a few thoughts:
1 - Do not trust anyone who says you killed a mafia member in the first round. Anyone saying that will in all probability be mafia. They are the only ones who know for sure who is mafia.
2 - You are now at a 6 to 3 ratio of townies and mafia. This is a very deep hole to dig out of. It also means you need to MAKE SURE you are killing mafia each time. You have 1 wrong guess left, and the mafia will look to divide and conquer if they can.
3 - RDK is going to be accused of being mafia with me because he is on the same track I am right now. I think it is likely that EAP is mafia. I also think it is likely that one of the first people to believe her story is too, which would mean CMP. As far as Nic, he was my voting partner to start, so I can't say one way or another. He has been very quiet. If I had to pick a 3rd, I would pick SFA as the one hiding. It will be someone who voted for one of the other 2 in order to hide and more likely someone who voted for CSTNZ. SFA is very experienced, and let CSTNZ run trying to protect him simiilar to what Mike D did to me last game. It could be sarah too, since the "i'm sick" or "i'm busy" defense has been used before to hide mafia, but I think it is more likely that is was SFA
4 - Remember that based on how Phi did the selections, Nic had the greatest odds, SFA had the second greatest. Duddits was the true nuetral. Everyone after had declining odds. This does not mean that they are automatically guilt. Just a lot more likely to be mafia.
5 - Why am I ok to die? Despite the numerical odds shifting heavily to the mafia, there is a lot more information on the table now then their has been in the past. The way I play forces people to post. Even the quiet people have to come out and say SOMETHING, which makes it easier to catch patterns and lies later in the game. By the end of the next round, I may be proven wrong in who I think the mafia is, and that is OK. The point is that the info is there for you to better determine who the mafia is. Also, there is a big difference between this style and those who attack with abandon. I have linked facts and quoted in previous quotes where I could. I do not just make accusations, which are difficult to prove one way or another. Mafia will avoid facts when they can. (See EAP knocking the way I played) I do think the townies can win if they sort through the piles of poop that the mafia are about to sling.
And finally, yes EAP you did slip up. Here is your quote again with the pertient section bolded:
Also I don't think that is really fair for you to say of the other players. If they were voting based on being sensitive to me, I wouldn't have been a goner last game. If you really are a townie you should be counting on your fellow townies to do the right thing.
She is going to come online and claim that I am reading too much into this, but as an experienced mafia player, she knows mistakes like this have outed mafia in past games. I think it was late and she didn't proofread, and posted the line the way it is without picking it up.
The way it is written could mean 3 things: 1, she does not identify with being a townie, and is therefore mafia. 2, She knows she is a mafia member and is trying to ingratiate herself with the the others by speaking as the mouth piece of the townies. 3, She is a townie and slipped. Of the 3 reasons why this happened, 2 of them are mafia reasons. The 2nd is the most likely based on her style of play, and my money is on that one being true.
One last note. EAP will use her drama as a weapon for her. It already worked once this game where it failed last game. This may be a game, but much like in business, there is not a lot of room for emotion. I play to win, and if feelings get hurt along the way, I really don't care. Remember that it is a game, but some of us are very serious about it and do a lot of work to prepare to play.
That is all I have. I would like to stick around and help the townies win. I would also like to keep the Townie to Mafia ration in the right balance, but right now it does not look too good. I think I have left you in a decent place though, and I hope you can win this one. I'll be reading along, and cheering the whole way home!
Another thing that makes me even more sure of EAP is that the mafia would target the most dangerous player of the 3. Not a knock against CSTNZ, but Viking definitely puts more time and thought than I think anyone in the game. If he is a townie, he is very valuable to us. I know that 4 townies are voting for CST/Viking and I would like you guys to really think about this before letting EAP survive the round. If we can take out a mafia member in the first round, we could win this easily.
^ I don't know why you have such a hard on for me, but if you're going to try and make everyone think Im mafia, you might want to try responding to the answers I have given you instead of just saying
EAP IS MAFIA.
I also think it is funny how RDK, bacon AND Viking ARE SO SURE IM MAFIA. How are all three of you so certain in the first round?? No one knows anything now but the mafia and inspector.
You know whats even funnier? How you keep putting words in my mouth about how sure I am that you are mafia. It's actually kind of suspicious how defensive you are about me saying there is a 3/10 chance you are mafia.
oh yeah the 3 most outspoken people are mafia? maybe we can just clearly see that you are by far the most likely to be mafia in this runoff. I have given way more reasons than just saying "EAP IS MAFIA" but nice try.
I know I shouldn't hold things up more but I think we are making a mistake right now. As far as level of suspicion with the players in the run-off I'm EAP>CSTNZ>VV. I want to hear from SFA and Sarah and see why they are voting the way they are. At this point I would be willing to bet good money one of those two is mafia. If they are going to have a useless vote they should at least have to say why and give us something.