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C'mon, don't phrase it to make it seem like I'm equating him to an elk.
The guy was shooting at cops, that gives the cops the right to shoot back.
Wasn't my intention with 'free game', honestly.
But I don't think we should just resign to shooting folks that demonstrated the potential to kill others. I know it's naively idealistic, but killing another human should be avoided at all cost.
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Marilyn Manson refused to speak of Columbine or make any TV appearances for a long time after because he didn't want to give them the publicity. He had the right idea. It's the fact that we "glamorize" (for lack of a better word) these people that keeps other people copying them.
Two months after it happened he had a huge article in Rolling Stone about it. I am not saying he's wrong about glamorizing this kind of stuff but he definitely did address it in a big way shortly after the events.
Dave I have got a couple "RIP Rambo Dorner" posts. It's stupid. Glorifying ANY type of crime is what keeps things like this happening. School shooters are given more TV time then the teachers who protected students.
Marilyn Manson refused to speak of Columbine or make any TV appearances for a long time after because he didn't want to give them the publicity. He had the right idea. It's the fact that we "glamorize" (for lack of a better word) these people that keeps other people copying them.
I think some of the glorification comes from people wanting to know how things can get that upside down for someone. I would venture a vast majority people don't wake up with the thought of going on a killing spree and most can't even conceptualize the idea of it in their head. That being said, there is a line between curiosity and making them into some sort of folk hero like people seem to be doing with Dormer.
C'mon, don't phrase it to make it seem like I'm equating him to an elk.
The guy was shooting at cops, that gives the cops the right to shoot back.
Wasn't my intention with 'free game', honestly.
But I don't think we should just resign to shooting folks that demonstrated the potential to kill others. I know it's naively idealistic, but killing another human should be avoided at all reasonable cost.
C'mon, don't phrase it to make it seem like I'm equating him to an elk.
The guy was shooting at cops, that gives the cops the right to shoot back.
Wasn't my intention with 'free game', honestly.
But I don't think we should just resign to shooting folks that demonstrated the potential to kill others. I know it's naively idealistic, but killing another human should be avoided at all cost.
No offense taken, I just didn't want you thinking I saw the guy as an animal because of what happened.
To your other comment I'd simply say Dorner didn't just demonstrate the potential to kill, he demonstrated a willingness. Obviously any time a shootout happens and people don't walk away it's not the ideal outcome, but if it comes to a choice between law enforcement and suspect (the way Dorner made it with his actions)? I can't fault the law enforcement for taking extreme measures (meaning killing a person).
Im presenting for the corporate big wigs in 52 minutes. If all goes well, Ill get a gold star and the green light on a project Ive been defending for 2 years. However, this means that I may have to bow out of Wanee to handle the project. My professional self knows what it has to do. My unprofessional, highly irresponsible self is full force right now.
And clearly you aren't a rapist (I hope) but the way you pop into any thread where a woman happens to be lamenting her lack of ride to Bonnaroo and tell them to come hop on your bus sounds extremely rapey.
But I don't think we should just resign to shooting folks that demonstrated the potential to kill others. I know it's naively idealistic, but killing another human should be avoided at all cost.
No offense taken, I just didn't want you thinking I saw the guy as an animal because of what happened.
To your other comment I'd simply say Dorner didn't just demonstrate the potential to kill, he demonstrated a willingness. Obviously any time a shootout happens and people don't walk away it's not the ideal outcome, but if it comes to a choice between law enforcement and suspect (the way Dorner made it with his actions)? I can't fault the law enforcement for taking extreme measures (meaning killing a person).
Yeah I think I'm just lamenting the fact that humans have to die in general. Life, ya know?
Anyways, I discovered the hard way today that we don't have a plunger at my place.
I havent read much of this argument, but I could personally care less if they purposely burned him alive. The guy was a terrorist. He got what he deserved.
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Im presenting for the corporate big wigs in 52 minutes. If all goes well, Ill get a gold star and the green light on a project Ive been defending for 2 years. However, this means that I may have to bow out of Wanee to handle the project. My professional self knows what it has to do. My unprofessional, highly irresponsible self is full force right now.
I havent read much of this argument, but I couldn't personally care less if they purposely burned him alive. The guy was a terrorist. He got what he deserved.
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This may or may not have been brought up. I just searched for insider under the members page to "follow" her. And he's not there. Did she delete her account?
This may or may not have been brought up. I just searched for insider under the members page to "follow" her. And he's not there. Did she delete her account?
I hate to start the argument back up.. but yes it gives them the right to defend themselves with lethal force if necessary. I don't think it gave them the right to burn it down. That just seems like the equivalent of a public lynching - only done for revenge and spectacle.
Yeah, I think we'll go with revenge and spectacle.
I'm by no means saying it's ok that the guy killed four people and wounded others. What the LAPD did however in response to the killing spree is in my mind just as bad. Several times you saw innocent people getting shot at, a couple women who were shot, people running around in t-shirts or driving trucks saying "don't shoot me" because they feared being mistaken for the guy. From the very getgo, you knew the police had zero intention of actually capturing the guy - assuming they could - and that he was gonna get killed by cop regardless.
We all know that the LAPD has a pretty brutal (but deserved) reputation. I've seen first hand in New York what happens when cops behave badly, and then give some other account (as the "official" story of what really happened) to the media. I can tell stories for the next half hour.
It doesn't surprise me at all that the cops set the cabin on fire, and then someone shot him as he was fleeing out the back door. And then had him pushed back inside and burned alive. If that really happened, it doesn't surprise me at all. And it's pretty Quacked up.
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Post by iamthehorn on Feb 13, 2013 20:38:30 GMT -5
More officers arrived and surrounded the cabin, and more gunfire was exchanged. Mr. Dorner fired out a window of the cabin before trying to flee from the rear, throwing a smoke bomb to hide his escape, but police gunfire drove him back inside, The Los Angeles Times reported. The newspaper also reported that deputies used smoke bombs to cover their evacuation of the fallen deputies.
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