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why are you an jerkstore? i made like 10 post in like 7 months and never really stated what bands i like.
you like kanye who doesn't know how to play any instruments. he is an attention whore who can't play any instruments. so yes i will respect talented musicians not people who can talk with music playing on a cd player and calling themselves musicians/rappers/artist.
When people say shizt like this, my immediate assumption is that they're racist.
I 100% agree. In fact, any time people criticize hip-hop or R&B in this fashion (they dont play any instruments!!1) I immediately think RAYCESS.
OH. And the whole "he's a jerk/he's an attention whore/etc." and "they only sing about [money/dr*gs/guns/whatever]" angles completely smack of racism. First, people who listen to bands like Phish and SCI and WSP have no business criticizing lyrical content. Second, I don't see these folks giving back all their Doors cds because Jim Morrison was a raging weeniehole.
and to elaborate because this argument does always pisses me off: Your voice is an instrument. The main reason hip-hop exists is because folks took the initiative to learn beats, rhythm, and stanzas through bangin out percussion on tables and weird gear - and using their voice to make sounds.
and also Kanye knows how to play keys and synth as well, let alone knowing how to use analog/digital gear better then some club musicians.
Post by iamthehorn on Dec 12, 2012 10:56:17 GMT -5
FULL DISCLOSURE:
I really only like production-driven hip-hop. Kanye for instance. Stuff that's more lyric/flow focused, while I can appreciate it, doesn't really do it for me.
I really only like production-driven hip-hop. Kanye for instance. Stuff that's more lyric/flow focused, while I can appreciate it, doesn't really do it for me.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but anyone who thinks racism is not still a very real issue, even with the younger generations, is kidding themselves.
Unfortunately, people associate hip-hop with a specific race, and therefore people with preconceived notions about certain races have those same notions about hip-hop music in general. Obviously the fact that these thoughts are believed in general is despicable, but I think it does play a large role in the ignorance surrounding hip-hop.
But guys like Waka Flocka don't do the situation any favors by playing to stereotypes to sell records.
I really only like production-driven hip-hop. Kanye for instance. Stuff that's more lyric/flow focused, while I can appreciate it, doesn't really do it for me.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but anyone who thinks racism is not still a very real issue, even with the younger generations, is kidding themselves.
Unfortunately, people associate hip-hop with a specific race, and therefore people with preconceived notions about certain races have those same notions about hip-hop music in general. Obviously the fact that these thoughts are believed in general is despicable, but I think it does play a large role in the ignorance surrounding hip-hop.
But guys like Waka Flocka don't do the situation any favors by playing to stereotypes to sell records.
Christ, I love Waka. And I don't even listen to him. But I am also an unabashed fan of straight up ignorant music.
But guys like Waka Flocka don't do the situation any favors by playing to stereotypes to sell records.
I know nothing about Waka in particular, but this is a good point.
I just have a particular distaste for Waka. Not sure if anyone saw, but there's a spoof-rapper who did some parody raps pretending to be Obama, one was a cover of a Biggie song where they had Michelle as Lil' Kim. They're not really all that funny or clever, and I watched about half of the latest one before turning it off.
The latest one was a cover of Flocka's Hard in the Paint song & video. Waka, being the astute citizen of the world that he is railed hard against the parody for misrepresenting the African American culture (and Obama in particular). In a parody video. Of Flocka's own song & video. How outrageous does your lack of self awareness have to be to do that?
Guys like that make me hate the music industry. For every Kendrick Lamar (insightful, intelligent rhymes about more than NO NO WORD!!!/money/b*tches) there are 50 Flocka's. And that's just inexcusable. And that goes for the industry execs, artists themselves and the fans.
Guys like that make me hate the music industry. For every Kendrick Lamar (insightful, intelligent rhymes about more than NO NO WORD!!!/money/b*tches) there are 50 Flocka's. And that's just inexcusable. And that goes for the industry execs, artists themselves and the fans.
Full disclosure - I can't stand the whole "I like *intelligent* rappers" argument. It holds the art form up to a standard not used for other forms of music, and in doing so comes off as inadvertently racist. My first question when someone says they only like "intelligent" or "conscious" hip-hop is to ask if they apply that same standard to all their music. Do they toss out all the Rolling Stones' songs about chasing girls? How about all the nonsensical Beatles songs about submarines and sh*t?
There is a better case to be made that it is buffoonery -- inherently crass and unartistic.
I think it can be taken in small doses, but when it saturates the market, people who love hip-hop get edgy. And let's be honest trap rap has ruled the airwaves for a good decade - maybe not everyone should be held to that standard. But the real talking point is why does intelligent or more artistic rap/hip hop NOT get played on the radio/television?
Guys like that make me hate the music industry. For every Kendrick Lamar (insightful, intelligent rhymes about more than NO NO WORD!!!/money/b*tches) there are 50 Flocka's. And that's just inexcusable. And that goes for the industry execs, artists themselves and the fans.
Full disclosure - I can't stand the whole "I like *intelligent* rappers" argument. It holds the art form up to a standard not used for other forms of music, and in doing so comes off as inadvertently racist. My first question when someone says they only like "intelligent" or "conscious" hip-hop is to ask if they apply that same standard to all their music. Do they toss out all the Rolling Stones' songs about chasing girls? How about all the nonsensical Beatles songs about submarines and sh*t?
You're taking a few liberties with my comments, I think.
I didn't say I'm a fan of only intelligent rap. Zapp can verify I have a very real and inexplicable affection for Rick Ross' music (which I think is safe to call not intelligent). I think that stuff has a place, but how many guys do we need to rap about the same boring sh*t all day? Hot 97 is unlistenable most of the time, and it's because they give the majority of the air time to this style of hip-hop, with special blocks reserved for unquestioned crossover-able hip-hop monsters (Jiggaman, Kanye, etc.). And Flex's air horn, of course.
And I don't know how my comments can be construed as inadvertently racist. Couldn't the act of arguing against holding rappers to a high standard be seen as racist as well? I know that's not how you meant it, but words can be twisted in both directions. I don't think asking rappers to put some heart and soul into their music is racist, it's a genuine request for them to stop carbon-copying each other's style and beats and be a f*cking original artist for once.
And I do hold most other music to a higher standard than the general public. But I also think a song like Yellow Submarine is a quality children's song while "Hard in the Paint" is a bunch of testosterone-fueled nonsense. It's basically a 3 and a half minute "come see how awesome I am!" self-promotion. This isn't about race, or style, it's about quality. Yellow Submarine, for as goofy and childish as it is, is a quality song. Hard in the Paint, IMO, is not. It's not just about the message, it's how it is delivered.
Also, Waka's rhymes suck for the most part. Oh, you rhymed the n-word 5 lines in a row? VISIONARY!
I love all kinds of hip-hop, I think you know that about me by now, but I don't love ALL hip-hop. I need something worthwhile to make me appreciate the process, or the music, or the lyrics, or something. Someone like Waka doesn't do that for me.
Post by Dave Maynar on Dec 12, 2012 11:42:53 GMT -5
So they have Christmas Lunch leftovers today from our larger lunch yesterday which I missed due to having to do out of the office stuff. Remaining on my plate, there is mac and cheese, pumpkin pie and ham. How would I ever be able to rank these against each other in terms of awesomeness?
So they have Christmas Lunch leftovers today from our larger lunch yesterday which I missed due to having to do out of the office stuff. Remaining on my plate, there is mac and cheese, pumpkin pie and ham. How would I ever be able to rank these against each other in terms of awesomeness?
Easy
1. Pumpkin pie-Prince 2. Mac & Cheese-My Morning Jacket 3. Ham-Mumford & Sons
Full disclosure - I can't stand the whole "I like *intelligent* rappers" argument. It holds the art form up to a standard not used for other forms of music, and in doing so comes off as inadvertently racist. My first question when someone says they only like "intelligent" or "conscious" hip-hop is to ask if they apply that same standard to all their music. Do they toss out all the Rolling Stones' songs about chasing girls? How about all the nonsensical Beatles songs about submarines and sh*t?
You're taking a few liberties with my comments, I think.
I didn't say I'm a fan of only intelligent rap. Zapp can verify I have a very real and inexplicable affection for Rick Ross' music (which I think is safe to call not intelligent). I think that stuff has a place, but how many guys do we need to rap about the same boring sh*t all day? Hot 97 is unlistenable most of the time, and it's because they give the majority of the air time to this style of hip-hop, with special blocks reserved for unquestioned crossover-able hip-hop monsters (Jiggaman, Kanye, etc.). And Flex's air horn, of course.
And I don't know how my comments can be construed as inadvertently racist. Couldn't the act of arguing against holding rappers to a high standard be seen as racist as well? I know that's not how you meant it, but words can be twisted in both directions. I don't think asking rappers to put some heart and soul into their music is racist, it's a genuine request for them to stop carbon-copying each other's style and beats and be a f*cking original artist for once.
And I do hold most other music to a higher standard than the general public. But I also think a song like Yellow Submarine is a quality children's song while "Hard in the Paint" is a bunch of testosterone-fueled nonsense. It's basically a 3 and a half minute "come see how awesome I am!" self-promotion. This isn't about race, or style, it's about quality. Yellow Submarine, for as goofy and childish as it is, is a quality song. Hard in the Paint, IMO, is not. It's not just about the message, it's how it is delivered.
Also, Waka's rhymes suck for the most part. Oh, you rhymed the n-word 5 lines in a row? VISIONARY!
I love all kinds of hip-hop, I think you know that about me by now, but I don't love ALL hip-hop. I need something worthwhile to make me appreciate the process, or the music, or the lyrics, or something. Someone like Waka doesn't do that for me.
Oh, I wasn't attributing such an attitude towards you, Flanzy. I know you like all kinds of stuff. It was more a general comment.
I just think there's this underlying racial component of views like those which often goes unnoticed or ignored. It's the same way the media handles athletes. We can be honest and say that athletes, by and large, are complete morons. All of them. Yet it's the black athletes who get criticized the most for acting like a dumb athlete, and also disproportionally praised for offering intelligent discourse. But have you ever heard Ben Roethlisberger talk? How about Josh Beckett? Or pretty much everybody in the NHL? All complete morons. Yet they don't get criticized for the dumb sh*t they do and say on nearly the same level. Just one of the irritating things about society, I suppose.
So they have Christmas Lunch leftovers today from our larger lunch yesterday which I missed due to having to do out of the office stuff. Remaining on my plate, there is mac and cheese, pumpkin pie and ham. How would I ever be able to rank these against each other in terms of awesomeness?
Easy
1. Pumpkin pie-Prince 2. Mac & Cheese-My Morning Jacket 3. Ham-Mumford & Sons
You're taking a few liberties with my comments, I think.
I didn't say I'm a fan of only intelligent rap. Zapp can verify I have a very real and inexplicable affection for Rick Ross' music (which I think is safe to call not intelligent). I think that stuff has a place, but how many guys do we need to rap about the same boring sh*t all day? Hot 97 is unlistenable most of the time, and it's because they give the majority of the air time to this style of hip-hop, with special blocks reserved for unquestioned crossover-able hip-hop monsters (Jiggaman, Kanye, etc.). And Flex's air horn, of course.
And I don't know how my comments can be construed as inadvertently racist. Couldn't the act of arguing against holding rappers to a high standard be seen as racist as well? I know that's not how you meant it, but words can be twisted in both directions. I don't think asking rappers to put some heart and soul into their music is racist, it's a genuine request for them to stop carbon-copying each other's style and beats and be a f*cking original artist for once.
And I do hold most other music to a higher standard than the general public. But I also think a song like Yellow Submarine is a quality children's song while "Hard in the Paint" is a bunch of testosterone-fueled nonsense. It's basically a 3 and a half minute "come see how awesome I am!" self-promotion. This isn't about race, or style, it's about quality. Yellow Submarine, for as goofy and childish as it is, is a quality song. Hard in the Paint, IMO, is not. It's not just about the message, it's how it is delivered.
Also, Waka's rhymes suck for the most part. Oh, you rhymed the n-word 5 lines in a row? VISIONARY!
I love all kinds of hip-hop, I think you know that about me by now, but I don't love ALL hip-hop. I need something worthwhile to make me appreciate the process, or the music, or the lyrics, or something. Someone like Waka doesn't do that for me.
Oh, I wasn't attributing such an attitude towards you, Flanzy. I know you like all kinds of stuff. It was more a general comment.
I just think there's this underlying racial component of views like those which often goes unnoticed or ignored. It's the same way the media handles athletes. We can be honest and say that athletes, by and large, are complete morons. All of them. Yet it's the black athletes who get criticized the most for acting like a dumb athlete, and also disproportionally praised for offering intelligent discourse. But have you ever heard Ben Roethlisberger talk? How about Josh Beckett? Or pretty much everybody in the NHL? All complete morons. Yet they don't get criticized for the dumb sh*t they do and say on nearly the same level. Just one of the irritating things about society, I suppose.
Ah, my mistake. I thought you were responding directly to my comments. And I agree with what you said regarding society in general.
My one issue with this post? NHL players. Yeah, they're drunken goons known more for punching each other in the face than being good interviews, but I have a very good friend who worked covering the NHL for 2 years as reporter/radio show engineer. He said (and having met quite a few NHL players myself I tend to agree) that NHL players are BY FAR the best interviews. Not so much because of content or intelligence, but they're really nice and engaging. They don't make the interviewer feel like the player doesn't have time for the interview or anything that athletes are typically known for.
But that's probably because half the league is Canadian and it rubs off on you after a while.
So they have Christmas Lunch leftovers today from our larger lunch yesterday which I missed due to having to do out of the office stuff. Remaining on my plate, there is mac and cheese, pumpkin pie and ham. How would I ever be able to rank these against each other in terms of awesomeness?
Easy
1. Pumpkin pie-Prince 2. Mac & Cheese-My Morning Jacket 3. Ham-Mumford & Sons
This is crazy. Ham is salty and delicious, where as Pumpkin Pie is the least among pies.
So they have Christmas Lunch leftovers today from our larger lunch yesterday which I missed due to having to do out of the office stuff. Remaining on my plate, there is mac and cheese, pumpkin pie and ham. How would I ever be able to rank these against each other in terms of awesomeness?
Easy
1. Pumpkin pie-Prince 2. Mac & Cheese-My Morning Jacket 3. Ham-Mumford & Sons
You're either a huge fan of Mumford & Sons or some sort of weirdo who doesn't realize that ham is GREAT.
There are times where I swear Dave and I are related. If they made a TV show about us, He'd be the "have it together" brother and I'd be the one drooling on myself looking at the beer selection.
