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Being in the shade and having a steady supply of water is just a start......I camped in bfe last year and only used my tent to change clothes....Slept in my vehicle...By Sunday morning, I was ready to get out of there....This festival needs to be open to change. Stop acting like its perfect because it is not. More than 90% of the people at the festival did not die but I'm sure most were stressed and uncomfortable. Sure the vendors are going to make more money because the heat makes your body need more food and fluids...but Bonnaroo should seriously consider changing the festival dates to a cooler month. Just try it one year....Let's see how it goes.
What month do you suggest ? Maybe one where 60+% of the demographic is in school ? Oh, that is not a good idea.
"More then 90% of the people did not die" Better do your math again...
So rough numbers 80,000 attendees, 10,000+ workers, volunteers, vendors, police, security and two deaths is 0.00002%
I find the logic behind the date being dependent on when school is let out a little humorous. Coachella seems to do BETTER as far as ticket sales are concerned. Same with SXSW (though that's a different animal). Really the date is dependent on the location. And I hate to break Tennessean's hearts, but Tennessee (and the southeast in general) weather sucks and can be downright dangerous for strenuous physical activity from late May to August.
I'm not saying Bonnaroo is piss poor with safety, but it does seem to have the most health issues and deaths of any other festival.
What month do you suggest ? Maybe one where 60+% of the demographic is in school ? Oh, that is not a good idea.
"More then 90% of the people did not die" Better do your math again...
So rough numbers 80,000 attendees, 10,000+ workers, volunteers, vendors, police, security and two deaths is 0.00002%
I find the logic behind the date being dependent on when school is let out a little humorous. Coachella seems to do BETTER as far as ticket sales are concerned. Same with SXSW (though that's a different animal). Really the date is dependent on the location. And I hate to break Tennessean's hearts, but Tennessee (and the southeast in general) weather sucks and can be downright dangerous for strenuous physical activity from late May to August.
I'm not saying Bonnaroo is piss poor with safety, but it does seem to have the most health issues and deaths of any other festival.
They didn't ban this guy yet?
Seriously man, if you dont like the heat, don't come back, but don't come to a community where the majority of the people are bonnaroo enthusists, and bitch and moan.
I think everyone here would rather you just go to coachella than to make another crybaby post.
it's not always (or in my case ever) easy to get to.
Never waited more than 3 minutes to get free water. There were two or three extra filtered water stations also this year.
you said this last year. this is like saying i never died, so it's not a problem to me. just because you somehow get lucky and don't have to wait in line to get water it doesn't mean others don't have to.
There were only a few times when I waited less than 30 minutes for water. Mostly it was 30-45 minutes of waiting and pushing to get to the center and then filling up the camelbak was an additional 5 minutes.
I was so concerned when I got there and saw the water issue that I thought about contacting the police. Dumping out water and then restricting people to a very limited number of spots to get water from....how does that make any sense?
If you can't supply enough water, then don't sell so many tickets.
Being in the shade and having a steady supply of water is just a start......I camped in bfe last year and only used my tent to change clothes....Slept in my vehicle...By Sunday morning, I was ready to get out of there....This festival needs to be open to change. Stop acting like its perfect because it is not. More than 90% of the people at the festival did not die but I'm sure most were stressed and uncomfortable. Sure the vendors are going to make more money because the heat makes your body need more food and fluids...but Bonnaroo should seriously consider changing the festival dates to a cooler month. Just try it one year....Let's see how it goes.
What month do you suggest ? Maybe one where 60+% of the demographic is in school ? Oh, that is not a good idea.
"More then 90% of the people did not die" Better do your math again...
So rough numbers 80,000 attendees, 10,000+ workers, volunteers, vendors, police, security and two deaths is 0.00002%
Disneyworld in Florida gets 17,000,000+ visitors a year. Comparing apples and oranges, if they had 1 death per 80,000 that would be over 200 deaths per year. But, we don't wanna compare apples and oranges.
What month do you suggest ? Maybe one where 60+% of the demographic is in school ? Oh, that is not a good idea.
"More then 90% of the people did not die" Better do your math again...
So rough numbers 80,000 attendees, 10,000+ workers, volunteers, vendors, police, security and two deaths is 0.00002%
Disneyworld in Florida gets 17,000,000+ visitors a year. Comparing apples and oranges, if they had 1 death per 80,000 that would be over 200 deaths per year. But, we don't wanna compare apples and oranges.
True, but most who go to Disney do not camp out for four days, stay up 20 hours a day and partake in the same way as in Manchester, TN.
Disneyworld in Florida gets 17,000,000+ visitors a year. Comparing apples and oranges, if they had 1 death per 80,000 that would be over 200 deaths per year. But, we don't wanna compare apples and oranges.
True, but most who go to Disney do not camp out for four days, stay up 20 hours a day and partake in the same way as in Manchester, TN.
Not sure if you saw my other "funny" thread about Disney and Bonnaroo but let me say that I was probably equally wiped out at both physically, probably a little more so at Disney. But part of that is dealing with the kids which I obviously don't have to do at Roo. I remember one night barely being able to walk out of Magic Kingdom because my legs, back and feet hurt so bad and that didn't happen at Roo. I feel like I got to rest more at Roo - either at camp or lounging around Centeroo before or between shows. We were even out in Pod 11 in Cleveland Brown and were so damn far away but after that first walk in we paid for a taxi every other time (I don't want to even think about how much we spent on that but it was worth it!) Obviously I'm partaking at Bonnaroo and not at Disney so that takes a toll on you, camping and the non-stop heat makes it more difficult and Disney has the advanatage of more air conditioned shaded places/rides and you aren't camping out (although you can camp there) so yeah overall Bonnaroo is more brutal.
If I had been asked to dump out my water with lines 30-40 deep around the water stations, I would refuse and make a ruckus and you should too. The one time we were asked, we politely declined and the guy let us go in with it. They are not going to chase people down and tackle them over water. That stuff ends up on YouTube and it's bad press.
Here is my strategy: Walk up to security with your bag on your front, but still over your shoulders, and all big compartments open. Most of the time, security is going to make a cursory glance and wave you through.
There were only a few times when I waited less than 30 minutes for water. Mostly it was 30-45 minutes of waiting and pushing to get to the center and then filling up the camelbak was an additional 5 minutes.
I was so concerned when I got there and saw the water issue that I thought about contacting the police. Dumping out water and then restricting people to a very limited number of spots to get water from....how does that make any sense?
If you can't supply enough water, then don't sell so many tickets.
There was one station that was doing this by the fuse tent for whatever reason.
Sang, you right, but if you just got water the right time, or filled up a bunch at a time so you only had to make a few trips a day instead of 10, it was never a problem.
Post by Funky Munky on Jun 14, 2011 18:25:21 GMT -5
If you only think it and don't know it then it's a pretty fucked up thing to write on a public message board. It's actually fucked up even if you know it. There may be lessons to learn but there is some pretty painful and private stuff going on here in broad daylight.
If you only think it and don't know it then it's a pretty quacked up thing to write on a public message board. It's actually quacked up even if you know it. There may be lessons to learn but there is some pretty painful and private stuff going on here in broad daylight.
it's true that we don't know. but last year one of ours died and it was a five letter word, not the heat that caused it and it was quietly swept under the rug. if it happened again it really needs to be discussed. so that maybe people can avoid it happening again. just looking at how prepared this guy was, it's hard to imagine it being anything else. it seems people on this board are prepared in every way except with the things they are willing to put in their bodies.
All I'm going to say is, do we ever really find out what really happened with these types of situations? Yes, being able to stay cool and hydrated is a big issue, but certain things are perpetuated by others.
All I can say, is out of respect for the families we not discuss what we don't know. I know for a fact that Matt's Mother was on inforoo quite a lot after his death. She read everything we said about him.
I have no problem discussing the possible causes for these deaths, and how to prevent it. But it needs to be handled very carefully.
What month do you suggest ? Maybe one where 60+% of the demographic is in school ? Oh, that is not a good idea.
"More then 90% of the people did not die" Better do your math again...
So rough numbers 80,000 attendees, 10,000+ workers, volunteers, vendors, police, security and two deaths is 0.00002%
I've already suggested March in another thread (how about April?)....And you seriously think college students could not rationalize missing 2 days of school for 4 days of Bonnaroo?
My math is not wrong, if I said just "90%"...then you could write that my math is wrong but instead I wrote.."More than 90%.." According to your math, 99.99998% did not die, that is more than 90%.
I don't think it is their responsibility for the weather and time and location. It's June in Tennessee, you should know it will be hot. There are other festivals in arguably worse conditions (Wakarusa).
What they should do it provide better infrastructure to protect against it...
Bring in some random tents for shade. They are relatively inexpensive, and there's enough room for them throughout the grounds.
Let people bring in water, even unsealed (so what if it's actually vodka, take the hit in alcohol sales for safety).
Bring in some more mist tents and water stations (the lines at the entrance one was horrendous by Saturday when half the pumps were broken - I would always take the walk to the one by Which, where if no big act was playing was always quick).
All in all, 2 deaths for the 95,000 people so there isn't too bad over 4-5 days. It is still 2 too many, but given the number of people, weather conditions, drug activity and other situations I am surprised it isn't more. Still, even those could sometimes be prevented by making water/shade more available. People literally will crowd under the bleachers, trucks, tents, etc. to get some shade because there is such a lack of it.
The fainting from heat is more of a concern and it can easily be prevented by taking some of the above mentioned measures...
This is just terrible. Not enough info to put blame on someone though. Bonnaroo still needs to improve when it comes up shade and water. I had no problems but everyones experience is different. With 3 deaths in the past 2 years, Bonnaroo has to claim some responsibility.
it's not always (or in my case ever) easy to get to.
Never waited more than 3 minutes to get free water. There were two or three extra filtered water stations also this year.
On Friday afternoon (around 1pm or so), it took me well over 30 minutes to fill up at the fountain near the HTC recharge center. Heck, it felt closer to 45 minutes. water was trickling out so slow that it took several minutes just to fill up a small, 16oz bottle of water, never mind the huge 100oz/1+ liter camelbaks many people had. Once I got up to the faucet, it took me close to 10 minutes to fill up a small bottle, a 1.5L camelbak, and a misting fan.
that fountain was just really bad and people were not happy. I thought the crowd was going to riot when a guy at the faucet dropped his half filled camelbak and lost all of the water! He was wise not to fill it more than half full the 2nd time around, otherwise he may not have made it out of there!
you may have been lucky, but a lot of people weren't as lucky as to only wait 3 minutes for water
my tent was right at the edge of where cops were not letting people through
we could hear their converstion
we were speechless and i cannot forget it
edit: also, on the water issue, i saw a guy pass out in the water line. it's fucking stupid. if u think it's alcohol, fucking smell it, you're already digging through my shit anyway.
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All I can say, is out of respect for the families we not discuss what we don't know. I know for a fact that Matt's Mother was on inforoo quite a lot after his death. She read everything we said about him.
I have no problem discussing the possible causes for these deaths, and how to prevent it. But it needs to be handled very carefully.
i understand that. i had no idea until earlier today that what happened to matt involved drugs. everyone kept it so quiet. no one really knows about yoderoo and maybe we never will. it seems like no matter what it is, it's reported as heat related and that there are tests being done... and then we never hear anything else about it. i think roo is part of the problem. they know what goes on, but it would be bad press, so they sweep it under the rug.
Post by tobiasfunke on Jun 14, 2011 19:26:53 GMT -5
It's horrible to jump to conclusions, but we've all assumed it. I readily agree that it needs to be discussed, albeit respectfully. Perhaps prior discussion could have made an impact. This kid was a vet, and well prepared, it's hard to rule out this unspoken assumption when it seems so likely. R.I.P. Chris, I'm grateful that you passed in a place you loved so much.
I am 18 and this year was my first roo. I had never been camping before besides with girl scouts...i slammed a case a day. I had an amazing time needless to say. I also brought a galon jug of water into centeroo with me EVERYDAY. i never had to pour it out, never got patted down, and they only ever peeked in my bag. obviously it is extremely sad that people get injured and hurt but honestly do some research! it's common sense to drink water in hot weather and also to drink water with alcohol. i find is so hard to believe that people are stupid enought to just show up at bonnaroo with no water, sunscreen, or tent. what the quack are these people thinking.
wow.. I always wanted to know what they did with the cookie money