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Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Nov 14, 2012 19:44:49 GMT -5
The thing is that both sabermetrics and "old school" stats say Verlander. And Felix should've been second.
I can guarantee you that at least two of the following reasons are why Verlander didn't win:
1) He won both the Cy Young and MVP last year 2) David Price's team had more wins 3) David Price had more wins 4) Miggy's very likely going to win MVP, and they didn't want to give the team with the 7th best record in the AL the MVP AND Cy Young Winner. 5)Writer's are stupid and many of them are homers.
Also, scrolling though Flazo's post will probably get me banned from the public library I'm currently sitting in.
Edit: Never mind I was somehow looking at the wrong player on Fangraphs. Price did have a (miniscule) advantage in ERA. Still though.
I've been hearing rumors/chatter about the Mets trading Dickey. Are they really that stupid? I'm not a Mets fan (clearly) but I pay more attention to the NL simply because my keeper league is NL only. From what I can tell, not only is Dickey a good pitcher (sure he'll probably regress, but he's been solid-to-good for several seasons now) but he's a fan favorite. Would the return they could get from trading the Cy Young winner really equal the goodwill they'd lose from their fans by trading away a guy like that? Or am I crazy and Mets fans couldn't give two sh*ts?
Dickey originally wanted a 4 year deal, then lowered that to 3 years with a duel option for the 4th year. Then the Mets said they'd offer 2, and Dickey said fine so long as it's $16+ mil.
And the Mets still haven't resigned him.
He's a guy that every Mets fan adores, the most beloved Met on the roster and is a PR gold-mine for whatever team he plays for. He's outspoken, but eloquent, so he is constantly speaking with perspective and humility that you simply don't see from athletes. Since the Mets have a huge working-class fan base this resonates with them. He took out a section of the Daily News after winning the Cy Young to issue a thank-you to the fans, team and individuals who helped him revive his career.
The team is weighing Dickey vs. prospects, and they're clearing trying to favor prospects (even if the trade offers aren't favorable), otherwise this whole exercise would be over with. If the Mets can get a Zack Wheeler-level prospect (the SP they swindled from San Fran in the Carlos Beltran deal), I'd think about it. But if you're trading RA for 2 B-level prospects? No. Not in a million years. This is NY and the owners are billionaires, if they want to run a moneyball style franchise, buy one where you don't make enough money and have to do things that way. Otherwise, you sign b-level players, keep your a-level players and develop your prospects. It's not rocket science.
Mets fans in no way want RA to get traded, know that the Mets' owners could give 2 sh*ts about what the fans think, and are resigned to expecting RA to be traded before spring training.
Mets extend David Wright, 8 years and $138 millino. I think they got off easy, to be honest, that deal comes out to averaging less than $17 million per if you include his 2013 salary (extension won't kick in until 2014).
Dickey is literally sitting around waiting for the Mets to stop shopping him so he can sign a 2-year deal. He wants 3rd year option so the Mets, in the height of maturity, took that and instead of countering just started publicly shopping Dickey.
Although they're apparently trying to pry Justin Upton from Arizona with John Niese as the main piece of the deal.
Mets extend David Wright, 8 years and $138 millino. I think they got off easy, to be honest, that deal comes out to averaging less than $17 million per if you include his 2013 salary (extension won't kick in until 2014).
Dickey is literally sitting around waiting for the Mets to stop shopping him so he can sign a 2-year deal. He wants 3rd year option so the Mets, in the height of maturity, took that and instead of countering just started publicly shopping Dickey.
Although they're apparently trying to pry Justin Upton from Arizona with John Niese as the main piece of the deal.
I still don't understand why Towers has been actively shopping Upton so much.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 30, 2012 14:46:48 GMT -5
Braves deal Tommy Hanson to Angels for Jordan Walden.
I like the deal for both teams, Hanson is way overrated and can't stay healthy and it clears up some money for the Braves to go after an OF. Angels get a decent arm to begin to make up for the loss of Haren (and lolsantana)
I'm so glad the Nationals got out of the Upton games. Not worth the money. Nats got their leadoff man in Denard Span for way cheaper and he's locked up for a couple of years.
I'm so glad the Nationals got out of the Upton games. Not worth the money. Nats got their leadoff man in Denard Span for way cheaper and he's locked up for a couple of years.
Words cannot express how happy I am that Span is out of the AL. He absolutely destroyed our pitching staff in his time with the Twins.
At least it's not Hamilton or something that stupid.
They signed Napoli and Victorino to ridiculous contracts and now they're after Dickey. I don't know if spending money on these kind of guys and trading half their minor league system for a 38 year old knuckleballer is in the Red Sox best interest right now.
At least it's not Hamilton or something that stupid.
They signed Napoli and Victorino to ridiculous contracts and now they're after Dickey. I don't know if spending money on these kind of guys and trading half their minor league system for a 38 year old knuckleballer is in the Red Sox best interest right now.
Are those deals that ridiculous, though? Have you looked at the FA market recently? Any starting player with some redeeming quality is worth $10 million now.
They're basically making a gamble that Victorino (who has the potential to be a monster in Fenway) can get healthy and Napoli can revert to his 2011 form. Playing in that stadium it's not out of the question.
And they're not going after Dickey. They kicked the tires on a Cy Young winner, not the most outrageous play in the world. The Mets gave them their asking price (which is too high) and they walked away.
I realize you're probably a Yankee fan, but Boston made two solid, if unspectacular, moves.
They signed Napoli and Victorino to ridiculous contracts and now they're after Dickey. I don't know if spending money on these kind of guys and trading half their minor league system for a 38 year old knuckleballer is in the Red Sox best interest right now.
Are those deals that ridiculous, though? Have you looked at the FA market recently? Any starting player with some redeeming quality is worth $10 million now.
They're basically making a gamble that Victorino (who has the potential to be a monster in Fenway) can get healthy and Napoli can revert to his 2011 form. Playing in that stadium it's not out of the question.
And they're not going after Dickey. They kicked the tires on a Cy Young winner, not the most outrageous play in the world. The Mets gave them their asking price (which is too high) and they walked away.
I realize you're probably a Yankee fan, but Boston made two solid, if unspectacular, moves.
Napoli contract was good, Victorino was awful. Awful.
Are those deals that ridiculous, though? Have you looked at the FA market recently? Any starting player with some redeeming quality is worth $10 million now.
They're basically making a gamble that Victorino (who has the potential to be a monster in Fenway) can get healthy and Napoli can revert to his 2011 form. Playing in that stadium it's not out of the question.
And they're not going after Dickey. They kicked the tires on a Cy Young winner, not the most outrageous play in the world. The Mets gave them their asking price (which is too high) and they walked away.
I realize you're probably a Yankee fan, but Boston made two solid, if unspectacular, moves.
Napoli contract was good, Victorino was awful. Awful.
If he stays healthy, the Victorino deal will be fine.
Categorizing anything that Boston does lately as "solid" is generous. Even though those two moves look decent enough on paper, Boston is a tumultous situation. You're hiring a manager from a team you would have considered 'below' you, with no sort of resume of success. And in the mean time the rest of your division (aside from maybe the yankees) is making significant strides to improve their teams. Two of them with arguably a top 5 or top 10 manager in the game (I'd argue that both Showalter and Maddon have a legitimate arguement as top 5). Really it's not about the two signings so much as it's about a change of front office attitude. Other front offices in the divison are working on keeping successful momentum rolling, the Boston front office is working on damage control to please their fans. Not a good way to compete no matter who you sign, even if they sign Hamilton
Categorizing anything that Boston does lately as "solid" is generous. Even though those two moves look decent enough on paper, Boston is a tumultous situation. You're hiring a manager from a team you would have considered 'below' you, with no sort of resume of success. And in the mean time the rest of your division (aside from maybe the yankees) is making significant strides to improve their teams. Two of them with arguably a top 5 or top 10 manager in the game (I'd argue that both Showalter and Maddon have a legitimate arguement as top 5). Really it's not about the two signings so much as it's about a change of front office attitude. Other front offices in the divison are working on keeping successful momentum rolling, the Boston front office is working on damage control to please their fans. Not a good way to compete no matter who you sign, even if they sign Hamilton
Are you a Boston fan, by any chance?
I follow that team much more closely than I'd like (product of living with a die-hard fan), but I think their new GM/team president is doing a good job. Unloaded a ton of bad contracts, is going to let the young guys play, signing complementary veterans, and let's not forget that they do have a very good young core set of players.
I think Boston is a couple of moves from being right back to contending for a playoff spot.