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Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 16, 2009 15:18:28 GMT -5
More seriously, John Lennon's lyrics in general, and "All You Need Is Love" in particular, taught me when I was a kid that there was a whole different way out there that people could live life. I credit his songs for initially opening my doors of perception.
More seriously, John Lennon's lyrics in general, and "All You Need Is Love" in particular, taught me when I was a kid that there was a whole different way out there that people could live life. I credit his songs for initially opening my doors of perception.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Sept 17, 2009 21:22:04 GMT -5
While we're on the tangent of the lyrics to "All You Need is Love," I'd like to post the Lyrics to rank Zappa's "Oh No," Which is seen by many to be a direct response to this particular Beatles Lyric.
Oh no I don't believe it You say that you think you know The meaning of love You say love is all we need You say With your love you can change All of the fools All of the hate I think you're probably Out to lunch
Oh no I don't believe it You say that you think you know The meaning of love Do you really think it can be told? You say that you really know I think You should check it again How can you say What you believe Will be the key to a World of love?
All your love Will it save me? All your love Will it save the world From what we can't understand? Oh no I don't believe it
And in your dreams You can see yourself As a prophet Saving the world The Words from your lips I just can't believe You are such A fool
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 17, 2009 22:13:32 GMT -5
Gotta love Zappa. He was undoubtedly a genius, especially brilliant at pointing out the state of the present world. His political commentary (as seen in shows like Crossfire) displayed the same acerbic realism revealed in songs like "Oh No." Thankfully, others have also been able to stick around long enough to show us the way the world could be.
While we're on the tangent of the lyrics to "All You Need is Love," I'd like to post the Lyrics to rank Zappa's "Oh No," Which is seen by many to be a direct response to this particular Beatles Lyric.
Oh no I don't believe it You say that you think you know The meaning of love You say love is all we need You say With your love you can change All of the fools All of the hate I think you're probably Out to lunch
Oh no I don't believe it You say that you think you know The meaning of love Do you really think it can be told? You say that you really know I think You should check it again How can you say What you believe Will be the key to a World of love?
All your love Will it save me? All your love Will it save the world From what we can't understand? Oh no I don't believe it
And in your dreams You can see yourself As a prophet Saving the world The Words from your lips I just can't believe You are such A fool
And Wolf thought "there's nothing you can do that can't be done was depressing" !
While I adore Zappa and often resemble his cynical worldview, I believe the difference in approach between the two songs is attitude. I don't know if Lennon had an official response, but I'd like to believe that his answer would be, "Yeah-some days", and would not be to reduce Zappa to a bottom feeding reactionary. It's fairly easy to take pot shots at what already has acclaim in order to reach for it yourself. Just ask Bill O'Reilly and the like.
Disclaimer: None of the above has been intended to rip on ole Frank. He was every bit as creative as Lennon over the long haul. Sometimes a creative force must first be destructive in nature....
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 18, 2009 8:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah this Zappa view of the world would be a terrible realization. I've personally never heard this song, but I think that great songs come from passion, and Zappa clearly had it through these lyrics. Creative forces on the level of Lennon are almost always destructive in nature. When artists become happy in life, their music usually suffers. As sad as that is, I think it's probably true.
Post by nodepression on Sept 18, 2009 9:24:00 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this the other day. Why artists work seems to suffer as their checks get bigger and bigger, yet a few don't. In terms of modern artists, Thom Yorke and Trent Reznor come to mind. Are they able to continue making great music because they are somewhat pissed off at the record industry and want to use their sway to change it? But sometimes this falls flat, (cough Neil Young and your album about electric cars cough.)
In terms of the Beatles they never seemed to have any problem growing or changing their sound with success even when their fame went off the charts. In terms of personal preference I like the earlier stuff better (up until Revolver) but I can still wholly recognize how groundbreaking the latter catalog is. To me though, albums like Help and Rubber Soul are perfect.
To be fair, I think a large part of the phenomena is "blowing your wad" with what you have to say as an emerging artist. The pressure to keep making records from the "industry" side of things, as well as the notion of striking while the iron's hot often leads to letdown sophomore follow-ups.
Now with a band such as the Beatles, one must consider that it was much easier to "be a pioneer in the 1800s", so to speak. Additionally, I believe they had nearly absolute control over the production of their art, a feat not easily maintained nowadays.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 20, 2009 18:23:39 GMT -5
Red, I agree with the first part of your post, but I'm not so sure about the second part. I know this isn't exactly what you meant, but the bit about pioneers sort of implies that if the Beatles hadn't been around, some other group of guys would have come along in the mid/late 60s and written all those great albums. It might have been easier to be a pioneer in the 1800s, but it was also easier to die of dysentery.
And any discussion of the Beatles' creative control has to include George Martin.
Well Ringo, let me fix that hole, where the rain gets in, and stop your mind from wanderin', where it will go....
It may have not been one group, but I'm sure bands would have gone down the path that the Beatles paved, eventually. Not saying it was EASY to be a pioneer, just easier then to try something new without someone yelling, "Simpsons did it ".
And from what I know/have read about Martin, yes he was a very large part of their creative direction. Not really a limiting factor, though, was he ?
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Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 21, 2009 10:30:53 GMT -5
True, it's probably fairer to call Martin an expansive or enabling factor than a limiting factor. In that sense, he was a sort of precursor to the Dr. Dres and Rick Rubins that came after him.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 21, 2009 12:07:37 GMT -5
Or the Kanyes.... But seriously has anyone read Chuck Klosterman's Beatles remaster review www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-klosterman-repeats-the-beatles,32560/? Red's comment made me think of it because Klosterman said "A concept album about finding a halfway decent song for Ringo, Sgt. Pepper has a few satisfactory moments" I thought it was pretty funny.
Post by questionablesanity on Nov 14, 2009 9:56:12 GMT -5
I just read that they are releasing the remastered catalogue on an USB drive in 24 bit FLAC files that also includes MP3 format, 13 short films, album art, photos, and expanded liner notes.
A Thieve's Parade 2/24 Conspirator 2/26 Kevin Smith 3/11 Keller 3/17 Papadosio 3/18 JJ Grey 3/25 Bela Fleck/Edgar Meyer 3/26 Toubab Krewe 3/27 O'Death 4/11 Budos Band 4/22 EOTO 4/28 Summer Camp 5/6-29 All Good