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...make it to the door of the SUV and haul Walt out and put a gun to his head and threaten to shoot him unless Todd's uncle's army lets them go free.
Of course, I wonder whether they understand how important Walt is to these people.
They're not shooting their way out of this one, or at least not without the show's writers taking a big ol' credibility hit. Hank's already emptied at least one clip and Gomie's shotgun is at most half-full.
I also wonder whether Jesse will throw it into Mike-protection mode and jam Walt's car into reverse and try to ram his way through the Wall O' Guns.
I'm wondering if we'll find out they weren't shooting to kill but rather to disable the car engine and intimidate the supposed cops. I've seen others talk about how the distance and lack of aiming by some of the guys could explain the misses if they were trying to kill them, but I'd want to go back and re-watch it myself. I know there have been real life cases of close shoot-outs with tons of bullets flying but no one being hit but it'll be sorta lame if the idea was "they just missed while trying to kill". Will probably re-watch those scenes again soon.
We know from the flash-forwards that Walt somehow gets free of the cuffs. We also know that:
-He's loose, either a fugitive or in witness protection. -His house has been seized and emptied out. -Hank and Gomez were working on their own, without DEA backup at this point.
That house seizure thing might indicate that at least one of the three: Hank, Gomez, or Jesse, survives the gunfight. But there's also Marie to take into account--if H/G/J all get killed, Marie's the only one left who can out Walt.
We know from the flash-forwards that Walt somehow gets free of the cuffs. We also know that:
-He's loose, either a fugitive or in witness protection. -His house has been seized and emptied out. -Hank and Gomez were working on their own, without DEA backup at this point.
That house seizure thing might indicate that at least one of the three: Hank, Gomez, or Jesse, survives the gunfight. But there's also Marie to take into account--if H/G/J all get killed, Marie's the only one left who can out Walt.
I was going to comment on the Hank's pride bit. IMO the show could have done a little more to show how dumb it was for Hank to go into the desert nearly alone chancing someone he knows to be an extremely dangerous criminal.
I don't think all three of Hank/Gomez/Jesse dies. It would be difficult for the show to finish out with much drama. Sure all three could die, Walt runs and then comes back because Todd kidnapped his family, but I think that would be too far removed from where all the drama was for the entire series. You can't finish out the series without one of Hank or Jesse.
I'm wondering if we'll find out they weren't shooting to kill but rather to disable the car engine and intimidate the supposed cops. I've seen others talk about how the distance and lack of aiming by some of the guys could explain the misses if they were trying to kill them, but I'd want to go back and re-watch it myself. I know there have been real life cases of close shoot-outs with tons of bullets flying but no one being hit but it'll be sorta lame if the idea was "they just missed while trying to kill". Will probably re-watch those scenes again soon.
it looked like they were just shooting at the car. if they were shooting to kill they were doing a horrible job. we know that they are more capable than that from the previous ambush.
I'm wondering if we'll find out they weren't shooting to kill but rather to disable the car engine and intimidate the supposed cops. I've seen others talk about how the distance and lack of aiming by some of the guys could explain the misses if they were trying to kill them, but I'd want to go back and re-watch it myself. I know there have been real life cases of close shoot-outs with tons of bullets flying but no one being hit but it'll be sorta lame if the idea was "they just missed while trying to kill". Will probably re-watch those scenes again soon.
it looked like they were just shooting at the car. if they were shooting to kill they were doing a horrible job. we know that they are more capable than that from the previous ambush.
it looked like they were just shooting at the car. if they were shooting to kill they were doing a horrible job. we know that they are more capable than that from the previous ambush.
Maybe everyone is saved by the reservation police force....the ones Hank mentioned a couple of times. They could show up after hearing the firefight....though that'd be a fast response time.
Or maybe we'll learn that Hank and Gomie had back-up on the way to the site so they just need to wait it out? Either way I'm dying to see what happens next.
Maybe everyone is saved by the reservation police force....the ones Hank mentioned a couple of times. They could show up after hearing the firefight....though that'd be a fast response time.
Or maybe we'll learn that Hank and Gomie had back-up on the way to the site so they just need to wait it out? Either way I'm dying to see what happens next.
I considered that maybe Hank and Gomie had called for back-up once they showed up, but like someone else said, they were still working alone at this point, right?
Maybe everyone is saved by the reservation police force....the ones Hank mentioned a couple of times. They could show up after hearing the firefight....though that'd be a fast response time.
Or maybe we'll learn that Hank and Gomie had back-up on the way to the site so they just need to wait it out? Either way I'm dying to see what happens next.
I considered that maybe Hank and Gomie had called for back-up once they showed up, but like someone else said, they were still working alone at this point, right?
Yea, they are still working alone but now that they have the guy and all the proof they need. They've got the money, they have him at the scene of the money, and they have his (probably recorded) confession to a lot of crimes from his phone call with Jesse so I could see them saying "Okay, let's get a few guys out here to help us find this money." They could have called in back-up or help or a few guys without totally letting them in on the case yet.
That said....I don't think we'll see other DEA agents show up. I think it's more likely that somehow Walt gets out of the car (either from Hank or Jesse) and his life is put in danger so the Nazis gotta stop. If he is killed (though it didn't seem like they were worried about him in the car) then they have no one to raise the quality and change the color.
I considered that maybe Hank and Gomie had called for back-up once they showed up, but like someone else said, they were still working alone at this point, right?
Yea, they are still working alone but now that they have the guy and all the proof they need. They've got the money, they have him at the scene of the money, and they have his (probably recorded) confession to a lot of crimes from his phone call with Jesse so I could see them saying "Okay, let's get a few guys out here to help us find this money." They could have called in back-up or help or a few guys without totally letting them in on the case yet.
That said....I don't think we'll see other DEA agents show up. I think it's more likely that somehow Walt gets out of the car (either from Hank or Jesse) and his life is put in danger so the Nazis gotta stop. If he is killed (though it didn't seem like they were worried about him in the car) then they have no one to raise the quality and change the color.
I watched it twice last night, like a nut. And when Hank asked Walt where the money was, and Walt didn't budge, Hank said something like "that's alright, we'll send some guys out to find it". Implying that he hadn't already called, for that purpose anyway.
I hate that we have to wait a whole week to find out how that scene ends!
Also, to those saying they are just trying to disable the car:
I highly doubt that these guys, regardless of their body armor and car door shields, would allow two trained DEA agents to continue shooting at their faces in an attempt to disable their cars and wait for the agents to run out of bullets.
The guy on the left has what looks to be an AR-15. They have an effective range of 547 yards. Yes, it is further away than it appeared but still well within the range of the weapon. Like I said before, I don't really care one way or the other, but it'll be interesting to see if it is explained in some manner by the resolution of the scene next week.
The guy on the left has what looks to be an AR-15. They have an effective range of 547 yards. Yes, it is further away than it appeared but still well within the range of the weapon. Like I said before, I don't really care one way or the other, but it'll be interesting to see if it is explained in some manner by the resolution of the scene next week.
True, but it could easily just be that the guy with the AR-15 is a crappy shot. EDIT: Looking back at the scene now the two guys on the left seem to look like military guys so I'd guess maybe they're a bit better than I'm giving them credit for.
Part of me kept thinking Jesse or Hank were going to get sniped from far away as a surprise once Walt was in cuffs but then I realized "Those Nazi dirtbags probably aren't capable of that". We know they took out Declan's guys but we didn't really see it so that could have been a much closer shootout which resulted in easier killing. These guys may not be marksman but rather just spray bullets and hope to catch something.
I also wonder if it will be explained in some manner but I'm not expecting it really.
Hank kinda was. Looking at the scene now and he's definitely got some of the car between him and the nazis. Gomie is a little more in the open though, for sure.
The guy on the left has what looks to be an AR-15. They have an effective range of 547 yards. Yes, it is further away than it appeared but still well within the range of the weapon. Like I said before, I don't really care one way or the other, but it'll be interesting to see if it is explained in some manner by the resolution of the scene next week.
True, but it could easily just be that the guy with the AR-15 is a crappy shot.
Part of me kept thinking Jesse or Hank were going to get sniped from far away as a surprise once Walt was in cuffs but then I realized "Those Nazi dirtbags probably aren't capable of that". We know they took out Declan's guys but we didn't really see it so that could have been a much closer shootout which resulted in easier killing. These guys may not be marksman but rather just spray bullets and hope to catch something.
I also wonder if it will be explained in some manner but I'm not expecting it really.
So far in the series, they have been built up to be legitimate guys. They massacred Declan's guys seemingly without anyone getting hit and they orchestrated simultaneous murders across multiple prisons in a 2 minute time span. It would be weak for Gilligan and Co. to then write in them actually being terrible shots.
I think that since this is a TV show we as the viewers are meant to suspend our belief a bit. In real life would they have been shot? Probably (though not certain). But that doesn't really make for increasing tension and leaving us on that cliffhanger.
No other DEA will come (unless something happened that we don't know about yet, but it was pretty clear they were operating alone). Plus that call to Marie ("I wont be home for a while") was a bit of a tip off that something very bad was about to happening. Also, I think that call was very akin to Walt's "I won" call after blowing up Gus.
It seems they only shot Hank and Gomie have at living is if Walt or Jesse steps in. Jesse looked like he was about to escape, and my assumption is that he definitely would NOT stick around risking his life to save two DEA agents or Walt.
True, but it could easily just be that the guy with the AR-15 is a crappy shot.
Part of me kept thinking Jesse or Hank were going to get sniped from far away as a surprise once Walt was in cuffs but then I realized "Those Nazi dirtbags probably aren't capable of that". We know they took out Declan's guys but we didn't really see it so that could have been a much closer shootout which resulted in easier killing. These guys may not be marksman but rather just spray bullets and hope to catch something.
I also wonder if it will be explained in some manner but I'm not expecting it really.
So far in the series, they have been built up to be legitimate guys. They massacred Declan's guys seemingly without anyone getting hit and they orchestrated simultaneous murders across multiple prisons in a 2 minute time span. It would be weak for Gilligan and Co. to then write in them actually being terrible shots.
Coordinating the prison murders where it's basically guys getting shanked or set on fire doesn't really have anything to do with their shooting accuracy.
True, but it could easily just be that the guy with the AR-15 is a crappy shot.
Part of me kept thinking Jesse or Hank were going to get sniped from far away as a surprise once Walt was in cuffs but then I realized "Those Nazi dirtbags probably aren't capable of that". We know they took out Declan's guys but we didn't really see it so that could have been a much closer shootout which resulted in easier killing. These guys may not be marksman but rather just spray bullets and hope to catch something.
I also wonder if it will be explained in some manner but I'm not expecting it really.
So far in the series, they have been built up to be legitimate guys. They massacred Declan's guys seemingly without anyone getting hit and they orchestrated simultaneous murders across multiple prisons in a 2 minute time span. It would be weak for Gilligan and Co. to then write in them actually being terrible shots.
I've edited my last post after going back and checking the scene. The guy I mentioned (and one by him) look to be in full army gear so I concede they are likely better shots than I was giving him credit for.
Still though, the Declan massacre was more of a surprise and not a tense standoff (at least that's how it sounded since we didn't see it happen) so they get the advantage there for sure. And the prison thing was brutal. It was epic that they got it done in the same time window but that wouldn't really have an effect on the ability to shoot straight.
Either way I'm re-watching the scene now and I don't have much of a problem with it. There's a mix of slow motion and regular speed that makes things seem iffier but right away when shooting starts Hank and Gomie go for cover. There's a few seconds where it seems like Gomie would definitely be hit by something though. He gets off a couple of shotgun blasts before going for cover that seemed silly for him to not be hit.
I think it's also important to remember that they aren't 100% certain these are DEA agents. They didn't see a badge....even though asking for one may have just been a tactic to get them to let their guard down. Like, you think Uncle Jack and the crew would just be like "Oh they're really cops....we'll see you guys later bye!" lol?
I'm dying to know what happens. Definitely think Jesse (who was clearly opening a car door) plays a major role whether that's saving the day by holding Walt hostage or being killed by the Nazis.
So far in the series, they have been built up to be legitimate guys. They massacred Declan's guys seemingly without anyone getting hit and they orchestrated simultaneous murders across multiple prisons in a 2 minute time span. It would be weak for Gilligan and Co. to then write in them actually being terrible shots.
Coordinating the prison murders where it's basically guys getting shanked or set on fire doesn't really have anything to do with their shooting accuracy.
I know. I was saying both of them together have built them up to where they appear to be legitimate guys who know what they are doing. It doesn't directly translate, but you would assume people organized enough to do that would have at least fit some time in for target practice.
So far in the series, they have been built up to be legitimate guys. They massacred Declan's guys seemingly without anyone getting hit and they orchestrated simultaneous murders across multiple prisons in a 2 minute time span. It would be weak for Gilligan and Co. to then write in them actually being terrible shots.
I've edited my last post after going back and checking the scene. The guy I mentioned (and one by him) look to be in full army gear so I concede they are likely better shots than I was giving him credit for.
Still though, the Declan massacre was more of a surprise and not a tense standoff (at least that's how it sounded since we didn't see it happen) so they get the advantage there for sure. And the prison thing was brutal. It was epic that they got it done in the same time window but that wouldn't really have an effect on the ability to shoot straight.
Either way I'm re-watching the scene now and I don't have much of a problem with it. There's a mix of slow motion and regular speed that makes things seem iffier but right away when shooting starts Hank and Gomie go for cover. There's a few seconds where it seems like Gomie would definitely be hit by something though. He gets off a couple of shotgun blasts before going for cover that seemed silly for him to not be hit.
I think it's also important to remember that they aren't 100% certain these are DEA agents. They didn't see a badge....even though asking for one may have just been a tactic to get them to let their guard down. Like, you think Uncle Jack and the crew would just be like "Oh they're really cops....we'll see you guys later bye!" lol?
I'm dying to know what happens. Definitely think Jesse (who was clearly opening a car door) plays a major role whether that's saving the day by holding Walt hostage or being killed by the Nazis.
When it comes down to it, I don't really care about the accuracy. As banshee stated above, you have to accept that you will put forth a certain amount of disbelief in action sequences.
As far as asking for badges, my thought on that while watching was that Uncle Jack wanted one of them to go for their badge which would cause them to drop their aim for a moment giving them an opening to shoot with only one person shooting back immediately.
Coordinating the prison murders where it's basically guys getting shanked or set on fire doesn't really have anything to do with their shooting accuracy.
I know. I was saying both of them together have built them up to where they appear to be legitimate guys who know what they are doing. It doesn't directly translate, but you would assume people organized enough to do that would have at least fit some time in for target practice.
I get that, but at the same time I think there have been enough scenes showing that these guys aren't hardcore professional. Talking about the train heist in a public place with the methylamine out in plain sight, Uncle Jack wiping the blood off his boots in the restaurant bathroom, refusing to wear the masks at the beginning of last night's episode when Todd is testing the purity, etc. There's certainly a sense of arrogance and sloppiness to the point where I don't think it's that unbelievable they wouldn't care enough to be excellent marksmen.
The more I think about it the more I think the Nazi's must of been missing on purpose. The massacre just proves it. They were tons of rounds fired. The crew that slaughtered the Arizona crew would of landed at least one shot.
The question is why? Obviously they haven't heard from Walt and they don't know who they are shooting at. I'm thinking that maybe they think Hank and Gomie are a rival gang that is trying to get Walt to cook for them. In which case maybe they just want to disable them to figure out who they are and who they are dealing with