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More importantly I don't think he could deal with her seeing him arrested. He's played the entire season to her like, "these police are just related to that past bad incident sweetheart, nothing out of the ordinary - go play." Great acting all around this season. He never hesitates but he was seriously thinking how can I get my granddaughter and I out of here without a violent incident? Realizing there wasn't a thing he could do - leaving her with the officers is much more responsible then grabbing her up and running.
Mike knew it was over so, so long ago. He knew he was hoping against hope that things would just work out with Walt, but life isn't that easy to run from
ah some Shakespearean level madness..
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So...I was kind of disappointed with how they handled the killing of Mike. It felt anticlimactic. I hate to be negative, but did anybody else feel like it was a tad anticlimactic from a show that is usually so great at providing incredibly tense moments? I just felt like it was too telegraphed; I could see it coming from a mile away.
I will say, though, that it was shot beautifully with the long shot of the lake and Mike's last words were perfect, as was the thud. It was all very poetic, but I was just the slightest bit disappointed in a moment that should've been one of the defining moments of the series. It just felt like it was missing a little something.
I don't know if I agree that Todd is undercover, but I don't think him shooting the kid NECESSARILY eliminates the possibility that he's an undercover cop. There are plenty of homicidal maniacs that happen to be police, and I'd say the homicidal maniac cops are more likely to take an undercover assignment. I don't know if I think he's undercover, but I DEFINITELY think he's got something up his sleeve. He was up to something when they showed him back in his car after his conversation with Mike, Walt, and Jesse.
Also, I don't think Walt will really give a f*ck at all about having killed Mike. He hated Mike. The most important consequence for Walt will be how Jesse reacts (and the police heat obviously since the DEA was closing in on Mike). I don't see Walt and Jesse ever having anything close to a positive exchange ever again. Things are about to go downhill fast between the two of them. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Walt ducks Jesse for a while and they don't see each other again until late in next year's season in a huge climactic moment.
To me it reminded me of the death of Omar Little. For a character of that type (mike and Omar have always had similarities to me in their larger than life portrayal) I think it's much more powerful to have them die like that, nobody around, an awkward shot to the gut instead of a fair fight.
Flanzo - think of it as "if he get s caught, Kaylee doesn't get the 18th birthday money" so he has to leave.
Okay, maybe this is something I've missed, but the lawyer was popped in the vault, right? They know every deposit box he goes to, so there's no way she gets to keep that money, no?
Flanzo - think of it as "if he get s caught, Kaylee doesn't get the 18th birthday money" so he has to leave.
Okay, maybe this is something I've missed, but the lawyer was popped in the vault, right? They know every deposit box he goes to, so there's no way she gets to keep that money, no?
I'm hoping Mike was smart enough to get the key for that drop. They made a big deal of the lady being completely forgetful with the numbers, and also with the laywer saying not one more dollar would fit (to me implying that he was done with that box).
Flanzo - think of it as "if he get s caught, Kaylee doesn't get the 18th birthday money" so he has to leave.
Okay, maybe this is something I've missed, but the lawyer was popped in the vault, right? They know every deposit box he goes to, so there's no way she gets to keep that money, no?
I'm not 100% sure on this but I think it's possible that she still gets the money.
The drop for Kaylee seemed like a one-time deal. When he first goes in he says "A new one today" and gets the employee to open that one as well.
When he's caught....it it when he is filling up the 9 other safety deposit boxes....but likely not the one for Kaylee. So perhaps they only have the rights to freeze/hold the stuff in those specific boxes (there's also been discussion about how legal everything was and if DEA did something that crossed some lines but I'll wait til next week to see how that plays out).
It's certainly possible that they caught the lawyer and they froze ANY safety deposit boxes he's got a key/file for. But if they JUST grabbed the 9 he was refilling then Kaylee's money is safe.
I think it's more likely she doesn't get the money but I could see Mike thinking that "If I get caught she DEFINITELY doesn't get the money" as one reason for leaving the scene.
Okay, maybe this is something I've missed, but the lawyer was popped in the vault, right? They know every deposit box he goes to, so there's no way she gets to keep that money, no?
I'm hoping Mike was smart enough to get the key for that drop. They made a big deal of the lady being completely forgetful with the numbers, and also with the laywer saying not one more dollar would fit (to me implying that he was done with that box).
Yea, at that point it seems it's a matter of "Will the DEA look into the past boxes" or if they are focusing just on those 9. Even if the lady is forgetful with numbers I'm sure they have some paperwork but that could all be avoided depending on what they look into.
My impression was that Mike had already lost his bank roll, all of it. If the lawyer flipped he would of told the cops everything, including about her safe deposit box.
He had the choice of fleeing or being arrested in front of his granddaughter, I think he made the right choice.
I think that may of been the best scene all around of the show so far
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Post by Dave Maynar on Aug 28, 2012 8:24:56 GMT -5
Sooo much to talk about that I have to divide it into different sections.
Opening - I agree with the review that Bacon mentioned. It feels like this will be the highpoint of Heisenberg. He finally got someone in the NO NO WORD!!! trade to have respect for him. Walt wanted the "say my name" statement to sound bad*ss, but I thought there was almost an undercurrent of desperation to it. He needed those guys to say Heisenberg with some amount of fear/awe.
Mike - People can call it anti-climactic if they want, but I really like how this played out for multiple reasons. I felt it really built up throughout this episode and the series to make it great for me personally. Mike was built up to be almost mythic. He knew everything. He was always in control. He repeatedly bested men 20+ years younger than him (Lydia's assassin, when he rescued the Asian guy). All of that got broken down during this episode though. He got made by the DEA. He possibly lost his granddaughter's inheritence again. He had to abandon her at a park to avoid arrest, and he had to rely on Walt to bring him his go bag. Compound this with his last speech which showed that he was filled with regret over the way things turned out and that he seemed legit surprised when the gun wasn't in the bag. For all his experience, he overlooked Walt in the end, and it cost him. How many times did he say that Walt was a loose cannon or a liability, but he never took action to stop Walt because Walt was his best chance at getting money for his granddaughter. Mike was supposed to be a total hard*ass, and he ends up just an old man (was it just me or did he look extra old by the river?) dying in the middle of nowhere after someone got the drop on him while he was trying to flee town forever. I heart sad endings like no other, and Mike's ending was amazingly sad. The one theory I want to put forward on this is a bit of a stretch, but I can't get it out of my head. Does anyone else think Walt will try to make it look like a suicide? When the DEA was raiding Mike's house, the movie playing had the police at the scene of a suicide and I seem to remember one of the detectives complaining about having a long drive to get to the scene. From an outside standpoint, Mike had plenty of motive for a suicide. I just imagine Walt trying to cover it up as a suicide, so Jesse doesn't get pissed at him and the police are less suspiscious. It would be difficult to do considering the wrecked car and blood on the rock, and I could see Walt leaving something behind that starts to point fingers at him.
Walt - I think he felt bad in the end for killing Mike. The guilt over the boy dying seemed like acting to try to convince Jessie to stay. "I'm the father here." pffft. He seemed kind of freaked out by the whole situation from when Mike drove off to realizing at the end that he didn't have to kill Mike after all. This is not the face of a stone cold killer.
Todd - I still haven't decided if he is as dumb as he looks or not. I think it is obvious that Walt would prefer to have Jesse around, but I am not so sure about him disliking Todd. After all, Jesse took his Chemistry class in high school and failed miserably. When I was rewatching the first few episodes with Abra, there is a scene where Jesse finds a test from Chemistry and I am 99% sure Walt wrote "Ridiculous! Apply yourself!" on it, and now, in season 5, we see him tell Todd to apply himself.
Episode 8 - Let the blood bath ensue. Lydia has the names. Lydia wanted to kill them anyway. Todd has connections in prison. 9 guys are getting ready to get murdered. It's going to be like the end of Godfather. The question is what kind of price is going to have to be paid to make it happen. Also, what's the cliffhanger that will haunt us until next year?
Etc. - Gomie's face when he caught the lawyer is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while.
He had the choice of fleeing or being arrested in front of his granddaughter, I think he made the right choice.
He made the dead choice, not sure that's the right one.
It ended up being the dead choice. Like I said, I don't think he thought Walt had the balls to kill him. Just look at the way he snatched that bag out of his hands.
He made the dead choice, not sure that's the right one.
It ended up being the dead choice. Like I said, I don't think he thought Walt had the balls to kill him. Just look at the way he snatched that bag out of his hands.
Kind of going along with your post about Mike getting old, maybe he was getting sloppy. Panicked, needing to get the hell outta dodge, that sort of thing?
Hell, the old Mike would have been able to tell the gun was missing by the weight of the bag probably.
Post by Dave Maynar on Aug 28, 2012 9:13:20 GMT -5
Since last night, I have been having memories of some movie where a blood trail is followed to find someone who wanted to die somewhere beautiful (seem to remember a sunset). It's not No Country For Old Men, and it is driving me a little nuts thinking of it.
Since last night, I have been having memories of some movie where a blood trail is followed to find someone who wanted to die somewhere beautiful (seem to remember a sunset). It's not No Country For Old Men, and it is driving me a little nuts thinking of it.
Gonna put spoiler tags for people who haven't seen this movie:
Since last night, I have been having memories of some movie where a blood trail is followed to find someone who wanted to die somewhere beautiful (seem to remember a sunset). It's not No Country For Old Men, and it is driving me a little nuts thinking of it.
Gonna put spoiler tags for people who haven't seen this movie:
Since last night, I have been having memories of some movie where a blood trail is followed to find someone who wanted to die somewhere beautiful (seem to remember a sunset). It's not No Country For Old Men, and it is driving me a little nuts thinking of it.
Gonna put spoiler tags for people who haven't seen this movie:
John Hillcoat's The Proposition? It fits your description exactly.
(won't let me embed the video without losing the spoiler tags)
There it is. Leave it to Karosko to be able to figure out a vague reference to a semi-obscure movie. Also, the character's last words though not as awesome as Mike's do apply nicely to Walt. I'll put them along with some further discussion in spoilers just in case, but it doesn't really ruin anything about the movie and won't give you a clue about what movie Kyle and I are talking about unless you have seen it.
"What are you going to do now?" It's a pretty general statement, so it's not a surprise that it applies to Walt's situation. It made me think a little more about Walt's situation though. With Mike and Jesse both gone (albeit temporarily in Jesse's case), Walt is left in uncharted territory. He would probably hate to admit it, but he has relied on Mike and Jesse heavily for quite some time. He is now left with Todd who is an inferior replacement for both of them. In another sense, he just killed Mike which is complicated by 1) When they find his body, Hank and the DEA are going to scour the living sh*t out of the crime scene for clues and 2) Jesse is going to be pissed if he finds out Walt is responsible. Walt's ego has left him in a very tough spot, and he is now truly on his own for the first time to figure out what to do next.
It's great. Quiet, Western-influenced thrillers sprinkled with biblical allusions and a dash of nihilism are honestly my favorite kind of movie. I know that sounds really specific , but there are a good amount of them out there (the remake of 3:10 to Yuma also comes to mind, although that one is obviously more of a traditional Western than "Western-influenced"). It's why No Country for Old Men is my favorite movie of the last 20 years, maybe ever.
And to bring it full circle, John Hillcoat was also the man behind the (IMO underrated) film version of The Road. It all goes back to the brilliant Mr. McCarthy
Oh, and that scene from The Proposition DEFINITELY has some nice parallels to the Mike death scene in BB. I can absolutely see why you'd make that connection, Dave. They're quite similar, both from a cinematography/sound design standpoint and a "narrative significance" standpoint.
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