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I was hoping Mike and Jesse both would be able to cash out large, and then just walk away from it forever. (Apparently) Mike doesn't get the chance. His granddaughter should be set up nicely when she turns 18, though.
Walt's going straight to hell behind it. But he's got a new young cooking apprentice, who will probably end up being the one who snuffs Walt.
Damn, Mike was a great character in the story arc. And Skylar is getting more and more trippy now.
Has there ALWAYS been a surveillance cam in Hank's ceiling? It's interesting that we haven't seen that POV before until this episode. It raises questions...which sucks, since I can NEVER sleep on Sunday nights now! Thanks, Breaking Bad, for consistently ruining my Monday work productivity (or lack thereof!)
I think this is definitely the plot twist that leads to Walt leaving town. Jesse will find out and then Walt won't have a friend in the world. Not to mention I am even more sure now that Todd is an undercover. My guess as to why the DEA doesn't know about him is he is an APD guy who was trying to take down the theft ring the exterminators were running and he stumbled into something much bigger and they are taking advantage.
I was hoping Mike and Jesse both would be able to cash out large, and then just walk away from it forever. (Apparently) Mike doesn't get the chance. His granddaughter should be set up nicely when she turns 18, though.
The police will seize all the money the lawyer was depositing. Chances are her money will be taken too. Which is really sad.
Not to mention I am even more sure now that Todd is an undercover. My guess as to why the DEA doesn't know about him is he is an APD guy who was trying to take down the theft ring the exterminators were running and he stumbled into something much bigger and they are taking advantage.
I don't see this. Todd shot the kid without hesitation.
I think this is definitely the plot twist that leads to Walt leaving town. Jesse will find out and then Walt won't have a friend in the world. Not to mention I am even more sure now that Todd is an undercover. My guess as to why the DEA doesn't know about him is he is an APD guy who was trying to take down the theft ring the exterminators were running and he stumbled into something much bigger and they are taking advantage.
I like this theory. RDK has a strong point that Todd did kill a kid, and a (good) undercover would never do that, but there is a very interesting theory and observation from the opening diner scene of Live Free or Die that Walt might be wearing a wire. If I can find that again I'll post it here.
I think Walt is going to convince Todd to have his connections inside prison (his family that is in prison or whatever) kill the other 9 folks that worked for Gus. The DEA will probably be protecting/watching them after discovering Mike's death (which could possibly lead to the DEA making a connection with Todd and the pest control business).
Todd will somehow lead to Walt's downfall and eventual fleeing, but I doubt the undercover thing. I agree with Longinus-I think the next episode will involve Walt trying to have the 9 killed and Hank and Gomie catching on.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 27, 2012 8:24:34 GMT -5
Todd is not an undercover agent. He killed that kid and has prison connections. The prison connections will likely come into play in killing some (or all) of the other 9 people. This is what will drive Walt even more to the evil side - he's ordering more and more murders.
If he ends up being revealed as undercover I won't like it. Mike did a background check on him....I believe that Mike is thorough enough to find out if he's undercover or just a criminal.
Yeah - Mike is/was the best at what he did. He wouldnt have let an undercover make it into any operation he was in on. And I think ITM is right here too - MORE and MORE murders. That's the wedge that's been driving Walt and Jesse apart. Starting a looooooong time ago.
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One scene I loved from tonight's episode was when Walt was teaching Todd how to cook the batch. Todd seemed uncomfortable learning this procedure, almost as if it were too much power. I feel like he stepped up because he wanted to make amends with Walt over the incident from two episodes ago, and also because he is probably afraid of Walt. But he just seemed so unsure, and somewhat frightened or intimidated of the blue meth. Heavy lies the crown sort of thing.
Not saying it's going to go anywhere but I thought it was a very subtley well-done scene, the type of thing that I love about this show.
One scene I loved from tonight's episode was when Walt was teaching Todd how to cook the batch. Todd seemed uncomfortable learning this procedure, almost as if it were too much power. I feel like he stepped up because he wanted to make amends with Walt over the incident from two episodes ago, and also because he is probably afraid of Walt. But he just seemed so unsure, and somewhat frightened or intimidated of the blue meth. Heavy lies the crown sort of thing.
Not saying it's going to go anywhere but I thought it was a very subtley well-done scene, the type of thing that I love about this show.
I thought it was more obvious that it was about Todd not being as educated as Jesse and thus a subpar replacement. They point out that he didn't take Chemistry in school (wouldn't be surprised if he dropped out of school) and how hard it was for him to grasp. He was studying during the break and seemed that he didn't feel comfortable with it until after a few more runs to learn the process.
Then Walt seemed to be hiding disappointment. He doesn't say Todd did a bad job, but goes out of his way to avoid complimenting him. He asserts that Todd applied himself and that's all Walt can ask.....I just think he's a bit too dumb for this stuff. It helped drive home the reason why Walt doesn't want to let Jesse leave the business.
AV Club had the best review of the episode IMO. I think they are right, this is the beginning of the end. Walt manipulating the PHX crew will be the summit and it is all down hill from here.
The question is, for me, is it going to be Walt's ego that is his downfall or did the killing of Mike flip a switch in his head and he is going to implode on himself with regret. I could see it going either way.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 27, 2012 11:00:54 GMT -5
I think he gets a bit less cocky since things are going down around him but he's still reckless. Like I said, I believe he's going to order the murder of the 9 guys in lockup with Todd's connections and the Phoneix crew stuff will ultimately come back to haunt him.
I don't think I can wait a whole year. Might have to re-watch the whole series again by that time.
One scene I loved from tonight's episode was when Walt was teaching Todd how to cook the batch. Todd seemed uncomfortable learning this procedure, almost as if it were too much power. I feel like he stepped up because he wanted to make amends with Walt over the incident from two episodes ago, and also because he is probably afraid of Walt. But he just seemed so unsure, and somewhat frightened or intimidated of the blue meth. Heavy lies the crown sort of thing.
Not saying it's going to go anywhere but I thought it was a very subtley well-done scene, the type of thing that I love about this show.
I thought it was more obvious that it was about Todd not being as educated as Jesse and thus a subpar replacement. They point out that he didn't take Chemistry in school (wouldn't be surprised if he dropped out of school) and how hard it was for him to grasp. He was studying during the break and seemed that he didn't feel comfortable with it until after a few more runs to learn the process.
Then Walt seemed to be hiding disappointment. He doesn't say Todd did a bad job, but goes out of his way to avoid complimenting him. He asserts that Todd applied himself and that's all Walt can ask.....I just think he's a bit too dumb for this stuff. It helped drive home the reason why Walt doesn't want to let Jesse leave the business.
I mean yeah that was the more obvious or literal way to see it. Just goes to show how a scene with as little given as that can have several interpretations.
I feel that something as pure as Walt's blue meth is meant to represent something as pure as evil. Everywhere Walt and his blue have gone and the measures that have been taken to protect and produce it, things have gone to hell in a hand basket. The purity = power and that is what has kept Walt alive through all of his mishaps with the Cartel, Gus, and any 'bad' character he's associated with.
Yes Todd is a simpleton, and he more or less knows it by 'not ever having done chemistry' and such. Just something about how he looks at the finished batch, and doesn't want to even talk about money, until after a few more tries. It's like he's wary to be behind that position of power with a man like the one Walt has become. Hell, I'd be somewhat terrified if I knew I was learning the process of manufacturing the most powerful meth in the world.
Anyway just how I saw it. Todd's probably just a dumbass.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Aug 27, 2012 14:14:29 GMT -5
So...I was kind of disappointed with how they handled the killing of Mike. It felt anticlimactic. I hate to be negative, but did anybody else feel like it was a tad anticlimactic from a show that is usually so great at providing incredibly tense moments? I just felt like it was too telegraphed; I could see it coming from a mile away.
I will say, though, that it was shot beautifully with the long shot of the lake and Mike's last words were perfect, as was the thud. It was all very poetic, but I was just the slightest bit disappointed in a moment that should've been one of the defining moments of the series. It just felt like it was missing a little something.
I don't know if I agree that Todd is undercover, but I don't think him shooting the kid NECESSARILY eliminates the possibility that he's an undercover cop. There are plenty of homicidal maniacs that happen to be police, and I'd say the homicidal maniac cops are more likely to take an undercover assignment. I don't know if I think he's undercover, but I DEFINITELY think he's got something up his sleeve. He was up to something when they showed him back in his car after his conversation with Mike, Walt, and Jesse.
Also, I don't think Walt will really give a f*ck at all about having killed Mike. He hated Mike. The most important consequence for Walt will be how Jesse reacts (and the police heat obviously since the DEA was closing in on Mike). I don't see Walt and Jesse ever having anything close to a positive exchange ever again. Things are about to go downhill fast between the two of them. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Walt ducks Jesse for a while and they don't see each other again until late in next year's season in a huge climactic moment.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 27, 2012 14:23:27 GMT -5
So...I was kind of disappointed with how they handled the killing of Mike. It felt anticlimactic. I hate to be negative, but did anybody else feel like it was a tad anticlimactic from a show that is usually so great at providing incredibly tense moments? I just felt like it was too telegraphed; I could see it coming from a mile away.
I've been expecting Mike to eat it some point soon so I wasn't necessarily surprised. Didn't really think he'd get a clean getaway either. In the beginning of the episode I thought it'd end with him going to jail and serving time but being quiet and happy that his granddaughter got money. Then I realized he'd be done for midway through.
Might have been a bit anti-climactic in terms of making the scene tense but I thought it was done well. They let you know Walt's thinking of this when he sees the gun. Then, when he doesn't shoot Mike right away we're led to believe maybe Walt didn't take it but then the truth comes out.
Anyway, I liked it because it was Walt losing his temper. He didn't go there with the plan to kill Mike. It just came up and Walt let the anger take hold. You see on his face that even he's shocked at what he did.
The most important consequence for Walt will be how Jesse reacts
Agreed but what if Jesse never finds out? What if Walt lets him believe Mike got away? It'd take a bit of work but I think Walt and Todd could dispose of the body.
That said, I do think Jesse will find out. He's got to! I want him to get revenge!
I thought his death scene was great. The cinematography during it was probably some of the best I've ever seen on the show. Mike broke his own rule and took a half measure in letting Walt live all this time and it ultimately led to his own death. I thought the scene was very tense, sure we knew Walt took the gun and had probably planned on killing Mike but he didn't until Mike pissed him of. I thought it was a great way to show just how far gone Walt is. And I think Walt did regret killing Mike. Sure he didn't like him much, but I can't see Walt ever wanting Mike dead, especially when he is never going to have to deal with him again. I thought the scene was really pivotal in showing Walt's character these days.
In regards to Todd I think the only thing up his sleeve is that he's insane. I thought the scene of him in the car with the spider was just to show how un-remorseful he was in killing the kid. He was looking at the spider as a sort of trophy. I could be wrong though.
Post by lazybutterfly on Aug 27, 2012 15:49:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one who didn't think Walt killed Mike, but rather Mike took a gun to himself first? Of course, now I know I was wrong. Maybe I was just super out of it, I did end up watching it at two in the morning. Definitely going to watch the episode again. Loved the scene with Mike and his granddaughter and the police closing in, I just felt the slippery slope coming and wanted to crawl into a hole.
As for Todd being undercover, I just can't see it. I feel like Vince would not choose to go this route because of all the "but he shot a kid!" backlash. Unless he's got something really clever up his sleeve, which is always an option, I don't think Todd is in on it.
ALoved the scene with Mike and his granddaughter and the police closing in, I just felt the slippery slope coming and wanted to crawl into a hole.
This is the first time I actually got pissed at Mike, probably ever. I realize deep down I probably wanted him to run, get away and all that, but he left his granddaughter!
I was the biggest Mike fan, but that irked me. The guy supposedly does what he does for her, and he left her there.